tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4919554729805931143.post6546906527090849396..comments2024-01-02T20:26:29.407-05:00Comments on The Real 2K Insider: NBA 2K12 Shooting Guard Ratings + ChangesRashidihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15415749685735306421noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4919554729805931143.post-53031498709988069262011-10-03T16:09:10.123-04:002011-10-03T16:09:10.123-04:00While i am a HUGE 76ers Fan. I don't think Igg...While i am a HUGE 76ers Fan. I don't think Iggy is a 85 at either position. He's good but not that good.AyeRonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09373723580880804633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4919554729805931143.post-53158095474443770082011-10-02T19:17:14.719-04:002011-10-02T19:17:14.719-04:00The game will tell us whether the scale works or n...The game will tell us whether the scale works or not. In general an 86 mid-range shot has a much better chance of going in than an 86 3pt shot.<br /><br />Players will probably find out that Paul isn't really the best player to bomb threes with because...<br /><br />A. He is small and can be blocked easily, which means he needs a pick to get open. As the primary ball handler he will rarely be uncontested at the start of possessions.<br />B. Using a pick or Isoing requires shooting off the dribble which decreases the accuracy.<br />C. Every three Paul takes is a P/R or postup that David West doesn't get.<br />D. Wouldn't one be just better off driving with Paul and kicking to a wide open open Belinelli or Ariza?<br /><br />Chris Paul COULD play like Tim Hardaway if he wanted to, but it wouldn't be in the best interests of the team.Rashidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415749685735306421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4919554729805931143.post-753789839762686832011-10-02T18:50:04.821-04:002011-10-02T18:50:04.821-04:00I didnt have the issue of low % 3pt shooting in 2k...I didnt have the issue of low % 3pt shooting in 2k11. I dont play online though and thats where the majority of complaints about the % came from. <br />I just dont see how most players can have a higher 3pt rating than their other shot ratings when they are not regarded as 3pt shooters. it entices the gamer to approach the use of the players as different to how they really play. IE: paul has an elite 3pt rating in 2k12. better than his mid or close. why play him like paul when you can play him like tim hardaway. Just because Paul is an effecient 3pt shooter in reality. doesnt make him a feared and prolific 3pt shooter which 2k12 has rated him to be.<br />thats just one example and the crux of my issue with the scale raise.nogster.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11583103605875885181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4919554729805931143.post-65719599513006568412011-10-02T14:39:12.469-04:002011-10-02T14:39:12.469-04:00Nogster, given the low success rates of 3pt shooti...Nogster, given the low success rates of 3pt shooting last year, i am sure a 3pt boost was needed. Also, it's not that big of a deal when numerous players have 90+ inside, close, and mid ratings.Rashidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415749685735306421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4919554729805931143.post-41184979054409276462011-10-02T12:46:02.589-04:002011-10-02T12:46:02.589-04:00oopps, it seems the comment I was referring as the...oopps, it seems the comment I was referring as the above, got deleted or not posted ... maybe due to it beeing so long.ffaacc03https://www.blogger.com/profile/05621971079151334329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4919554729805931143.post-22319061120058638102011-10-02T12:44:48.484-04:002011-10-02T12:44:48.484-04:00By the way, the above comment wasnt addressed to y...By the way, the above comment wasnt addressed to you but to some OS members whining about Kobe mid rating and about shooting ratings in general.ffaacc03https://www.blogger.com/profile/05621971079151334329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4919554729805931143.post-72053199192643234782011-10-02T12:40:30.057-04:002011-10-02T12:40:30.057-04:00Dear Rashidi, here is another opinion (not mine) o...Dear Rashidi, here is another opinion (not mine) of what we are discussing here. Interested to see your take on this one.<br />---<br /><br />Here is a picture of what 2k uses for their shooting zones. <br /><br />And here is the same pic with ~distances<br /><br />I cant paste them here so I will send you both pictures by mail, they are crucial to whats being posted in the comment bellow.<br />---<br /> <br />As you can see.. the red section is inside, the next is close, then the blue section is medium and beyond that is 3.<br /><br />Hoopdata collects 5 locations. <br />At rim<br />3-9 ft (not counting at rim)<br />10-15 ft<br />16-23 ft<br />3pters <br /><br />So with that and with 2k's four zone system something needs to be added together. Initially I thought as you did, to add (at rim and 3-9) needed to be together for inside. But after looking at 2k's zone system it doesn't quite work out too good as there are too many inbetweens in their zone locations. <br /><br />In real life the paint is 8 ft wide from the center of the goal outwards. Which is pretty close to 9 ft. The free throw line is 19ft from the out of bounds line in real life, while 2k's system for close goes all the way to the ft line. So there are too many inconsistencies with the 2k zone system and real life data points.<br /><br />Close would extend out to 19 ft as that is how far the FT line is from the out of bounds line in real life. Granted the close range is shorter on the sides in the game but this would still lead to inconsistencies with shots from the ft line.<br /><br />Either way there is going to be a smudging point as the data from hoopdata does not exactly correspond with 2k's system. <br /> <br />What's important about the My Player map is that it perfectly fits the NBA Hotspots map. So, then you can see how the Hoopdata numbers compare to the NBA Hotspots numbers. Here's an example:<br /><br />Andrew Bynum (09-10)<br />NBA Hotspot:<br />Inside: 341-546<br />Close: 48-126<br />Hoopdata:<br />At Rim: 258-370<br />3'-9': 96-207<br />10'-15': 29-71<br /><br />My method gets you 354-577 for Inside. Pretty close to 341-546. Your method underestimates Inside attempts by 176 (mine overestimates it by 31). Your Close method overestimates by 81 (mine underestimates it by 55).<br /><br />JJ Barea (09-10)<br />NBA Hotspots:<br />Inside: 110-220<br />Close: 28-68<br />Hoopdata:<br />At Rim: 94-171<br />3'-9': 18-61<br />10'-15': 21-43<br /><br />My method gets 112-232 for Inside (again very close to the Hotspot). For Barea, your method does better for Close (underestimating by 7 vs. underestimating by 25). However, you're giving up a lot of accuracy on Inside (underestimating by 49 vs. overestimating by 12).<br /><br />The best thing I can think to do is use the aggregate data for the entire league and figure out how to best combine the ranges. So, Inside might be 100% At Rim and 50% 3'-9', while Close might be 50% 3'-9' and 100% 10'-15'. That's just hypothetically speaking, but I think it could be done without too much difficulty.<br /><br />EDIT: I started looking at a way to match Hoopdata to Hotspots. Based on some early analyses (using five teams from the 09-10 season), it looks like you can most closely match Inside by doing 100% At Rim + 75% 3'-9'. Close is best matched by 25% 3'-9' + 100% 10'-15' + 10% 16'-23'. Oddly, 90% of 16'-23' very closely matches the Mid range numbers. <br /> <br />With all of that... you can see that mid is alot farther than what most of you guys are 'thinking' (in the game). Kobe at 78 for mid is fine, if his close is >85 than he will be beast on the block. Also when you factor in SOD and SIT as well as Post Shot he is going to be Kobe.<br /><br />Kobe is not known for consistently knocking down a 18-20 footer all the time. Please show me Kobe, pulling up consistently from 20 feet and dropping them like Dirk or Ray Ray. Please do. <br /><br />The problem with the 2k ratings are not the ratings themselves but how they determine their ratings. Some years 2k has not even touched some players while at the same time some players get overhauled. That is the main problem.ffaacc03https://www.blogger.com/profile/05621971079151334329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4919554729805931143.post-58090964691264874472011-10-02T06:19:18.044-04:002011-10-02T06:19:18.044-04:00Nogster here. What about the raise in the 3pt attr...Nogster here. What about the raise in the 3pt attribute Rashidi. I find it awful. Most of these players are being horribly overrated in this attribute. This just entices an overabundance in 3pt shooting.<br />This scale has to be lowered back to 2k11's for realism's sake.nogster.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11583103605875885181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4919554729805931143.post-5256787531439970882011-10-02T06:18:10.434-04:002011-10-02T06:18:10.434-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.nogster.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11583103605875885181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4919554729805931143.post-56952309173271410172011-10-02T01:47:46.372-04:002011-10-02T01:47:46.372-04:00Can you give a rough estimate as to when your rost...Can you give a rough estimate as to when your rosters will be ready? I appreciate the hard work man, keep it up.Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14451361415990195814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4919554729805931143.post-5633481289950335052011-10-01T22:35:26.330-04:002011-10-01T22:35:26.330-04:00as always very very very good information. Looking...as always very very very good information. Looking forward to the rosters. 2k should just hire you. lol.Droppin' Weighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03698046503894970733noreply@blogger.com