Monday, November 15, 2010

Analysis of NBA 2K11's [11-13-10] Roster

One again, The Real 2K Insider breaks down 2K's latest roster update and keeps you informed on what 2K would rather keep in the dark.


PLAYER EDITS

Elton Brand
78 Overall (+5)
90 Close (+5)
74 Medium (+8)
72 Block (+4)
65 Steal (+23)
86 Hands (+4)
85 OffReb (+14)
70 DefReb (-6)
79 OffPost (+6)
79 OffAwr (+3)
72 DefAwr (+3)
35 OffClutch (+10)
70 Consistency (+25)
83 Stamina (+6)
77 Hustle (+3)

Brand got some much needed boosts, some of which were needed even before his resurgence (Mid-range, Steals, Stamina, DefAwr).  As is the 2K standard, his blocks were already overrated, yet still got a boost.  2K also could have dropped his defensive rebounding much further, as he is only worthy of a 57 at present (his DREB rate of 15% is exactly where it was last season - surely safe to say this is a facet of his game he didn't recover after the knee injury (not that Elton was ever a strong defensive rebounder, as he never topped 20% in a full season).

Thaddeus Young
75 Overall (-1)
73 Medium (-13)

Fans have been begging the Insider for this change (on his blog, no less) and he finally responded, 6 weeks later.

Joakim Noah
80 Overall (+3)
79 Inside (+4)
75 Close (+8)
72 FT (+2)
86 Block (+4)
99 OffReb (+1)
97 DefReb (+3)
87 PostDef (+3)
68 OffAwr (+5)
94 DefAwr (+3)
63 Strength (+2)

Fun facts!  According to hoopdata.com Noah is 0-1 from 10-15 feet this season.  He got +8 Close rating.  Meanwhile Noah is 9-26 from 16-23 feet this season. He was 29-67 last season.  Noah has 35 Mid-range, which is the lowest possible rating.

Fun facts!  The 2K Insider has surely never even heard of hoopdata.com.

Fun facts!  The 2K Insider has surely never heard of "data".

Fun facts!  Noah is blocking fewer shots than last season yet still got a block rating boost!

Fun facts!  In all this editing, the 2K Insider saw nothing wrong with Noah's 45 Shoot In Traffic rating!

Fun facts! The 2K Insider seems to have Joakim Noah (99 OffReb, 97 DefReb) mixed up with Kevin Love!  Noah is 9th in the league in ORB% and 10th in DRB%.

Rhetorical questions!  How many times do you think former Chicago Bull Dennis Rodman was 10th in the league in either rebounding category?

Eric Bledsoe
68 Overall (+4)
82 3pt (+9)
73 FT (+6)
70 Pass (+12)
69 Steal (+4)
65 OffAwr (+3)
40 Consistency (+15)

Bledsoe is 5-11 from 3pt range through 10 games. He is attempting 1.3 threes per 36 minutes, a very small amount.  His sample is incredibly small.  And yet, he is now rated like a sharpshooting threat who could go deep at any time.  Also, having gone a mere 11-15 from the FT line this season, isn't it a wee bit early to boost a historically poor FT shooter?  If he misses his next FT he's back down to .687.  SAMPLE SIZES ARE ELEFREAKINMENTARY.

Rudy Gay
86 Overall (+2)
82 Medium (+4)
79 3pt (+6)
72 LPS (+4)
78 FT (+3)
44 Pass (+12)
84 Hands (+5)
52 OffReb (+5)
71 DefReb (+5)
86 OffAwr (+2)

Speaking of sample sizes, it is absolutely MIND BOGGLING (I feel like I say this every week) that Bledsoe is a meager 5-11 from 3pt range (10 games), which merits a 82 3pt rating, while Rudy Gay is 18-42 (10 games) and yet this merits only a 79 3pt rating.  Perhaps instead of an "Insider", 2K Sports would be better off having a monkey sit in front of a typewriter to determine their ratings.  The sad thing is the odds are actually in favor of that being more effective.

Also, can someone explain to me how it is possible that a player with a career 13.7 DREB% (14.2% this season) actually WENT UP!!!!!!!! to a 71 RebDef rating?  I just went over how Brand has 15 DREB% and is overrated with 70 RebDef and Gay is one point higher despite DREB% a full point lower.  SOMEBODY GET 2K A MONKEY ASAP!!!!!!!

Chris Bosh
83 Overall (-4)
90 LPS (-5)
71 OffReb (-15)
73 DefReb (-16)
90 OffPost (-4)
86 OffAwr (-7)
80 Consistency (-10)

I would buy the reduction in Bosh's post game if he wasn't overrated in this to begin with (just going by Toronto production).  His offensive capabilities are still absurdly good, between 94 Inside, 82 Close, 85 Medium, and Post ratings that are still elite.  The main thing that dropped was Bosh's rebounding though.  However, even with 16.5 DREB% that is easily a career low, he obviously deserves to be more than 2 points better than Rudy Gay and his "much improved"14.2%.  NO CONSISTENCY.

Arron Afflalo
72 Overall (+6)
82 Close (+11)
83 3pt (-2)
79 FT (+4)
64 SIT (+4)
41 Pass (+10)
58 Steal (+6)
77 Hands (+11)
64 PostDef (+10)
63 OffAwr (+18)
81 DefAwr (+5)
45 DefClutch (+20)
50 Consistency (+25)
83 Stamina (+6)
48 Shot Tendency (+12)

Finally, an edit that I somewhat like.  Afflalo had a lot of ratings that needed to go up, and 2K nailed most of them.  Afflalo is also the first player to have *GASP* a tendency adjustment.

Jason Richardson
75 Overall (+2)
84 3pt (+2)
71 FT (-7)
70 Steals (+8)
75 Hands (+5)
45 OffReb (+2)
81 OffAwr (+2)
80 Consistency (+10)
93 Stamina (+2)
66 Shot Tendency (+3)

Monta Ellis
86 Overall (+2)
93 Steal (+4)
95 OffAwr (+3)
77 DefAwr (+3)

Stephen Curry
82 Overall (+2)
83 3pt (-3)
82 SOD (+4)
84 Pass (+2)
90 Steal (+4)
84 OffAwr (+4)
67 DefAwr (+4)

Ellis and Curry both got boosts in steals and awareness.  Again picking on 2K's lack of consistency...

Curry
2010: 2.6 STL%
2011: 3.5 STL%
Rating: 90

Ellis
2010: 2.5
2011: 3.4
Rating: 93

There is no reason why Monta should have the higher steal rating.

Javale McGee
67 Overall (+1)
64 Speed (+10)
61 Quickness (+10)

It only took 2K three years to realize McGee was athletic.  Well done.  Speaking of McGee, he is leading the league in BLK% with a ridiculous 10.0% after leading last season with 8.0%, and he maintains a 6.8 career BLK%.  It is most definitely worth noting that Dikembe Mutombo only topped 8% once (8.8 in 1996) and finished his career with 6.3 BLK%.  Why do I bring this up?  McGee's block rating is only 92 (a mere 4 points ahead of Pau Gasol).  One would think that with an "Insider" so notorious for overrating players in shot blocking, he'd be able to get the easy ones.  But then, that's why we put "Insider" in quotation marks so much around here.

All told, that's a total of 11 player edits, with 2 of them (Young and McGee) being minor albeit long needed adjustments to specific ratings.  In other words, what I do in about 2 hours.

NEW PLAYERS
62 - Manny Harris (SG) - Cavaliers
60 - Samardo Samuels (PF) - Cavaliers
53 - Christian Eyenga (SG/SF) - Cavaliers
62 - Eugene Jeter (PG/SG) - Kings
60 - Ben Uzoh (PG/SG) - Nets
61 - Jeff Adrien (PF) - Warriors
57 - Hamady N'Diaye (C) - Wizards

MISSING PLAYERS
Garret Siler (C) - Suns

One player is missing.  That is super annoying.  Forget that we're now three weeks into the NBA season.  You seriously couldn't add the one missing player before roster release?  The worst part is Siler is the only one of Phoenix's initial three missing players that has actually played a game thus far.  Please get your priorities straight 2K.

ROTATION ERRORS
Sixers: Jodie Meeks is on the Sixer IR even though he is playing big minutes with Andre Iguodala struggling through injuries.  He should take the place of Darius Songaila, who has barely played.

Bucks: Drew Gooden has been starting since day one, but remains on the bench in favor of Mbah a Moute.  LRMAM has been starting for Carlos Delfino, who has missed some games with concussion symptoms.  Delfino is still in the starting lineup, however.  Gooden clearly needs to be there.

Grizzlies: Greivis Vazquez has been getting minutes but is on the team's IR.  DeMarre Carroll should take his place.

Hawks: Maurice Evans is injured and has no time-table for return, yet is healthy and on Atlanta's active roster.  Etan Thomas should take his spot.

Hornets: Quincy Pondexter is part of the team's rotation now.  Marcus Thornton has fallen out of it, and spent the last game on the team's inactive list.

Knicks: Ronny Turiaf is "injured" yet will possibly be starting the Knicks' next game.  Go figure.  He also has "Red" injury status despite the injury being a minor one.  Carlos Delfino has also been missing games but he's still in the Bucks starting lineup.   The 2K Insider deserves a 25 Consistency rating.

Mavericks: DeShawn Stevenson has been starting for Dallas, placing Jason Terry back into his 6th man role.  Yet Stevenson isn't even part of the team's rotation.

Rockets: Patrick Patterson was sent down to the D-League but still occupies an active roster spot (instead of Jermaine Taylor).

Suns: Dwayne Jones is still a Phoenix Sun even though there are now enough players on the team required to release him.  This was excusable when Gani Lawal and Matt Janning were missing from the game, but now that they are not, there is no reason for him to occupy a roster spot (even if Garret Sliler is still missing).  Maddeningly, Jones occupies an active spot on the online roster, instead of Lawal or Janning.  Simply sloppy work by the 2K Insider.

Spurs: Bobby Simmons and Garrett Temple were both waived by the San Antonio Spurs, but still occupy roster spots and are on the online team.  Chris Quinn was signed by the Spurs after they waived Simmons, which also lead to Temple's release a few days later.  Not only is Quinn missing from the team, but Alonzo Gee occupies a spot on the IR even though he is still a member of the team and has higher ratings than both Simmons and Temple.  What kills me is that Joe Alexander was waived by New Orleans YESTERDAY and the 2K Insider included that, but seemingly wasn't able to follow up on these transactions that happened much earlier in the week.  Again, these changes are presumably coming from a person on company payroll, whose salary is being paid by the copies of the game that were sold.  I would think our expectations should be high enough to expect the company's roster editor to keep up with "minor" details like the league transactions.

INJURED LIST
A new addition to the roster analysis.  All of these injuries are dissolved when an Association is started, which means this information is primarily relevant to online players, as these are the players who will not be available in online games.  Red denotes a player who cannot be used, while others have minor "nagging" injuries that they can still play through (even though EVERY player on this list is NOT playing through their injuries in real life).

76ers: None
Bobcats: Dominic McGuire (-10), Kwame Brown (-19)
Bucks: Chris Douglas-Roberts (-11), Darington Hobson (-4), Michael Redd (-24)
Bulls: Carlos Boozer (-10)
Cavaliers: Mo Williams (-7)
Celtics: Jermaine O'Neal (-10), Kendrick Perkins (-10), Avery Bradley (-12)
Clippers: Baron Davis (-11), Randy Foye (-7), Chris Kaman (-24)
Grizzlies: None
Hawks: None
Heat: Mike Miller (-11)
Jazz: Mehmet Okur (-27)
Kings: None
Knicks: Eddy Curry (-5), Ronny Turiaf (-9), Kelenna Azubuike (-24)
Lakers: Andrew Bynum (-9)
Magic: Daniel Orton (-7)
Mavericks: Rodrigue Beaubois (-12)
Nets: None
Nuggets: Kenyon Martin (-10), Chris Andersen (-23)
Pacers: Jeff Foster (-19)
Pistons: Chris Wilcox (-5), Terrico White (-11), Jonas Jerebko (-20)
Raptors: Leandro Barbosa (-11), Ed Davis (-8), Linas Kleiza (-10)
Rockets: Yao Ming (-10), Aaron Brooks (-24)
Spurs: James Anderson (-10)
Suns: None
Thunder: Nick Collison (-8)
Timberwolves: Jonny Flynn (-6), Martell Webster (-6), Luke Ridnour (-12)
Trail Blazers: Greg Oden (-25), Joel Przybilla (-22), Elliot Williams (-20)
Warriors: David Lee (-7), Ekpe Udoh (-11), Louis Amundson (-8)
Wizards: Josh Howard (-23)
Free Agents: Jeff Pendergraph (-21)


For the most part, injured players are moved to the IR, regardless of their status, but in some cases, teams suffer so many injuries that there isn't enough room on the IR.  If that player has "Yellow" status, it means they can still be used in online games.  This will surely come into play later in the season, but for now there is only one injured player still on their team's active roster.

Usable "Injured" players: Randy Foye (Clippers)

42 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi Rashidi, good analysis, do you know when you will finish to edit the ratings of all Pistons players ?

Thank you !

Anonymous said...

first of all.. let me just say i love your work.. i really appreciate how much work you puttin into this to make 2k a better game for all of us.. but your constant 2k insider bashing gets so old!! this is really annoying! just keep up the great work. you dont have to make him look stupid to make yourself look good.

Anonymous said...

Hey Rashidi, NBA Hotspots is a better indicator for the shooting percentage than Hoopsdata no ?

Anonymous said...

hey Rashidi, what do you do with the injured players? thanks, appreciate your work!

attention deficit said...

Rashidi someone was impersonating me in the comments of your last article. Disregard Any of the stupid comments. Really creepy though.

Lunatic Wolf said...

It is fine to blast someone as long as you give praise when they do something right, which is exactly what rashidi does.

Anonymous said...

while i agree with 2k insider being lazy.

but for someone who is always talking about being pressed for time and has a life and blah blah blah.

you actually scoured every player in his update to see if he changed any tendencies?
and why do we care we use your roster, spend your time on this.

Rashidi said...

Hey Rashidi, NBA Hotspots is a better indicator for the shooting percentage than Hoopsdata no?

I agree, but 2011 data is not available yet. Hotspots doesn't show shot assist% either, that matters just as much as the percentage and volume.

Rashidi said...

first of all.. let me just say i love your work.. i really appreciate how much work you puttin into this to make 2k a better game for all of us.. but your constant 2k insider bashing gets so old!! this is really annoying! just keep up the great work. you dont have to make him look stupid to make yourself look good.

Someone needs to voice their opinion about 2K's roster quality. Who better than someone with the knowledge and qualifications to do it?

Putting our thumbs in our ears and covering our eyes is not going to generate change.

Rashidi said...

but for someone who is always talking about being pressed for time and has a life and blah blah blah.

As I've said: The 2K Insider is on the company payroll. Until this pays my bills, I believe I have the right to take as much time as I need. Putting A VIDEO GAME before my own life would be stupid.

you actually scoured every player in his update to see if he changed any tendencies?

Nope, just the players whose ratings have been edited from week to week, which I am able to keep up with quite easily, as illustrated by this post.

and why do we care we use your roster, spend your time on this.

I am a writer and analyst first, roster editor second. Educating readers and users about WHAT they are downloading is why my rosters gained popularity, and I.E. are why you are here in the first place.

Anonymous said...

I need my pistons edited Rashidi please ! :(

Anonymous said...

"Fun facts! Noah is blocking fewer shots than last season yet still got a block rating boost!"

According to ESPN.com though (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=3224), he is actually averaging 2 blocks/game this year as opposed to 1.6 last year.

Anonymous said...

I think what Rashidi was referring to is Noah's BLK%. It's at 3.8 compared to 4.0 from last year. He is also playing 9 more minutes at the moment.

However, Taj Gibson is up to a BLK% of 4.8 from 3.6 last season in only 3 more minutes.

Cuanto said...

Earl Barron is in for the Suns.

Anonymous said...

What about Mike Beasley? he is 63 for 3 in the game and 74 overrall ! WTF?
They should change him in SF!

Anonymous said...

Ok Rashidi stop hating on the Knicks. They're a legit 50 win team.

Anonymous said...

what??? man the knicks lost 6 in a row...50 wins are far away for them right now...I think rashidi made them as good as they are in real life...

btw:

@ rashidi...just a quick question: I would like to add sean barkleys accessories to your roster...maybe I need a weekend for this...so that you would have one basic accessory edit and than you can move on with your edits...also I will work with getty images to keep them up to date...

Rashidi said...

Beasley is edited in my next update (79 overall & SF)

Anonymous said...

When can we expect this new update Rashidi

Lunatic Wolf said...

@anonymous: No one really cares about the accessories.

Anonymous said...

man rashidi get off your throne...a great roster consists of every single detail...also accessories...and you will be better than the insider? yes you have the ratings, yes you have the tendencies...but you lack some effort in other departments...if you think that accessories and the right shoes and so on doesn't belong to a great roster experience I feel sorry for you...cause the majority will have a different opinion...I'm done with your roster...man I offered help...not more...so do your thing!

Anonymous said...

Its ffaacc03 (PS3) ...

To the previous poster and all alike ...

As opposed to the "official" 2k insider, Rashidis work is more organized and consistent, in "all departments" ... he has his priorities right as he has stated that he is firstly focusing on editing ratings and tendencies first, later he will focus on accesories ... he also asked for some help from the worthy caps creators as that isnt his strength (have yet to receive an answer, I believe) ... so, if you happen to not agree with his approach, to each his own ... have luck by either finding a better roster or by doing the edits yourselves.

Rashidi said...

Gameplay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Graphics

Always and forever.

Rashidi said...

Possible roster tonight. I'm free tonight, but not tomorrow.

Rashidi said...

In general I like Thursdays for updating because only the TNT games are on. It allows me to focus on updating all the team rotations for the week.

Lunatic Wolf said...

I would rather have Kobe play correctly rather than having his fingerstrap on.

onyx said...

i agree
accessories aren't importent to me either. it can be added any time when the most importent stuff is done anyways.

so if anything, i think we are feeling sorry for ppl that put garbage over correct true-to-life like nba experience.

rashidi do you adjust "hotspots"? i cant remember if that was mentioned.

patiently waiting for pc. keep it up

Lunatic Wolf said...

@Onyx, Vlad says there should be a demo release of REDitor this weekend.

onyx said...

ye i've seen it over at nlsc

i don't know what the demo will let one edit though. but the final version isn't far away anyways ;)

Whitstatman said...

I would pick gameplay over graphics any day of the week. I have a good friend who makes WNBA, yes I said WNBA, rosters on 2k share for the 360 who I know puts more effort into his team than the 2k insider. And this guy's getting paid? The consistent lack of attention to detail that the 2k "Insider" puts into his work is staggering to say the least. But 2k has people brainwashed into thinking that they can do no wrong, so I hope Rashidi keeps up with his work and shows 2k how to edit a freakin roster.

Caveman said...

Sonny Weems is shooting .429 from Three this year on 6-14 shooting not including 1-3 so far tonight (one of which was a contested three from waaaaay back as the shot clock was expiring).

Just a heads up.

Rashidi said...

I'll make an adjustment before roster release. Probably pushing that back to Sunday.

Anonymous said...

looks like Josh Smith found some kind of jump shot over the summer

ATL's own said...

sorry forgot to log in

but yeah here's an article on JSmoove's new improved jumpshot

http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2010/11/19/atlanta-hawks-should-smoove-really-keep-shooting-jumpers/?cxntfid=blogs_hawks

Anonymous said...

rap and new orleans made a trade today peja and bayless for banks, anderson and jack

Caveman said...

Jose Calderon driving that giant Tank right to the bottom of the league. Colangelo must be mad Raps won 2 in a row so he tossed two rotation guys and our emergency PG for Peja's corpse and an unproven guy who plays the same position as half the team.

Anonymous said...

Rashidi, I think Derrick Rose's Shot Inside needs a boost. As of right now, he's shooting 61% at the rim.

Also, I'm curious as to why he has a rating of less than 99 in the layup rating. Obviously the difference between a 99 and a 96 isn't very much, I'm just curious as to why it's the way it is.

Rashidi said...

Jose Calderon driving that giant Tank right to the bottom of the league. Colangelo must be mad Raps won 2 in a row so he tossed two rotation guys and our emergency PG for Peja's corpse and an unproven guy who plays the same position as half the team.


Raptors are last in the league in attendance and can't afford to pay both Calderon and Jack, who are both signed long-term, especially since neither has any upside. Bayless is probably just as good as Jack, and could be even better now that he'll get some PT.

Stojakovic brings something DeRozan, Weems, Kleiza (to a degree), and Wright don't - dead eye shooting.

I'm actually trying to figure out what new Orleans' logic was. They're 10-1. Why bring in 3 new faces?

Rashidi said...

I'm guessing they didn't view Bayless as a viable starter in the event Paul gets hurt (we know Willie Green certainly isn't).

Stojakovic was also playing well when healthy (but then, I guess that's always the key word with him). They like Pondexter, and Marcus Thornton is buried on the bench. They can surely afford to let him go to bring in PG insurance.

Andersen's shooting gives the Hornets another perimeter bigman, and a legit backup since DJ MBbenga, Aaron Gray, and Pops Mensah-Bonsu don't really cut it.

Banks is a meh 3rd stringer (a poor man's Bayless or Toney Douglas) that will only see time if CP disaster strikes.

Rashidi said...

Rashidi, I think Derrick Rose's Shot Inside needs a boost. As of right now, he's shooting 61% at the rim.

Too tired to look up the stats, but I believe he has more dunks than last year.

Rashidi said...

Hm, nevermind, apparently Rose has only dunked 3 times this season. Weird thing is I think I've seen each one.

Anyway, I'm not putting much stock into zone data yet due to the sample sizes. Rose is 36-59 this season compared to 242-439 last season. He doesn't even have 1/7th of last season's attempts yet, and the difference is only 6%.

If I WERE putting a lot of stock into it I'd also drop his Close rating since Rose is only 6-20 (30%) on 10-15 footers compared to 82-164 (50%) last season.

There's quite a bit of projection that goes into interpreting these stats. Rose is shooting 60% NOW, but it's hardly in my best interest to have to go back and edit him after every single game he plays.

This isn't to say I'm against raising his Inside rating, just that now isn't the right time.

Juan Millan said...

Hi, am from Venezuela and I can´t go online to update my rosters. So could anybody help me to create Greivis Vasquez? In my player mode he is on the Grizzlies with Xavier Henry but I can't add them to my roster. Thank you!!!