Monday, October 17, 2011

Real 2K Insider fixed the NBA 2K12 gameplay

I completed my tendencies last night for the New York Knicks and tested them in a CPU match.  I was pleasantly surprised with the results.

In previous Knicks simulations Carmelo Anthony would take 30+ shots while Amare Stoudemire took about 10, and the rest of the team even less than that.  Frustrating, because Melo and Amare had identical Shot & Touch tendencies (93 & 99 respectively).  Melo would post up on nearly every possession.  The reality is he isolates on 37% of his possessions (most in the league!) and posts up on only 13% of the time (a high mark for a SF, but certainly not every trip down the floor.   Amare/Melo both prefer to face the basket and attack!  The post ups (which is a league-wide problem) also drive down assist totals.  This is a Mike D'Antoni team and passing for 3pt shots and pick & rolls are the name of the game! 

Gameplay was set to Simulation setting.  All-Star difficulty on 12 minute quarters.

Ronny Turiaf: 6-4-1-0-3-1-24 (3-4 FG)
Amare Stoudemire: 12-7-4-0-0-0-35 (4-11 FG, 4-6 FT)
Carmelo Anthony: 22-6-3-1-1-0-36 (7-15 FG, 3-5 3PT, 5-6 FT)
Landry Fields: 14-9-4-0-1-0-35 (5-11 FG, 2-6 3PT, 2-2 FT)
Chauncey Billups: 18-4-7-0-1-1-32 (7-12 FG, 3-7 3PT, 1-1 FT)
Toney Douglas: 10-3-0-1-2-2-21 (3-6 FG, 2-4 3PT, 2-2 FT)
Jared Jeffries: 8-1-0-0-0-0-16 (4-4 FG, 0-1 FT)
Iman Shumpert: 6-0-1-0-0-0-8 (2-4 FG, 1-1 3PT, 1-2 FT)
Shawne Williams: 3-3-0-0-0-1-20 (1-3 FG, 1-2 3PT)
Bill Walker: 0-2-0-0-0-0-13 (0-1 FG, 0-1 3PT)
Josh Harrellson: 0-2-0-0-0-0-5 (0-1 FG, 0-2 FT)
Derrick Brown: DNP
TEAM: 99-41-20-2-8-48 (36-72 FG, 12-26 3PT, 15-22 FT)

Fields lead the team in scoring in the first half with 12 which was certainly a bright spot.  He didn't hesitate to take a three when left open.  Melo took over scoring in the second half to lead the team but on far fewer shots than previous simulations.  The scoring and shot distribution was much more balanced this time around.

The team was pitted against the Boston Celtics who will be the next team I complete all ratings and tendencies for.  They certainly need it as Paul Pierce scored 25 points on 27 shots.  Ray Allen was next with 23 points and only 13 shots, while Kevin Garnett took only 7 shots in 34 minutes (5-7 against Pierce's 8-27).  Jeff Green finished with 12 points on a perfect 5-5 shooting.

My tendencies & ratings lead to a more balanced attack for the Knicks and the featured player was whoever had the hot hand at the time.  Fields had 12 of his 14 in the first half while Melo had 10 of his 22 in the 4th quarter.  2K's tendencies & ratings on the other hand lead to a more scripted game as Paul Pierce was going to take a shot whether it was a good one or not.

The best part is these results can only improve.  I meant to edit each player's assigned plays but completely forgot as I wanted to test the tendencies out ASAP.  I will run another simulation with those tweaks (if there are any).  Completing the opposing team's ratings/tendencies/plays should also help.

Another thing I should also try is the gameplay on Default setting rather than Simulation.  Shot sliders are down on the sim setting but the CPU will also not attempt on ball steals which lead to a very low amount of steals and turnovers.  The Celtics are a superb defensive team with one of the league's best ball hawks at PG yet didn't disrupt much of the Knicks' offensive flow.  A combination of both slider settings will probably generate more realistic gameplay.  Finally, I will also test out a Human vs CPU game to see if the CPU reacts any differently towards a user than it's fellow CPU.

I will upload another roster later tonight so you guys can run your own tests.  Only one team has completed rating/tendencies so far but that will change over the coming weeks.


Da_Czar said...

Rashidi do you think the difference in sliders between sim and default with the sim post up slider being so high also effected your results ?

Notque said...

If you do the Pacers I'll test it out for you. You'll need to get Granger's rating finalized as well.

Rashidi said...

I ran another sim, this time on default settings.

Both teams shot a higher percentage and fewer fouls were called. The Celtics had 12 steals so the higher percentage might have been due to more fastbreaks.

Unfortunately game track doesn't even track the entire game now on 12 minute quarters, it only tracks the last 52 made shots (including FTs) of the game (basically the 2nd half).

Celtics had 18 Fastbreak pts and 14 pts off turnovers. I don't remember the first game but I believe both are higher.

Melo had 29 on 12-24 FG while Amare had 18 on 9-14 FG. I'm trying to get Amare going but it just might be a Kevin Garnett thing. Maybe he'll dominate another team. I would like to see more P/R play from the CPU and I think I'm going to upgrade Amare's Roll plays to #2 most frequent to see if that helps.

Ultimately one of the real life problems of the Knicks is that Amare and Melo are both ball dominant 1-on-1 players and have the same flaws that LeBron/Wade have playing together. Except neither is anywhere as effective at getting their teammates involved. Whoever touches the ball first is going to put up the shot.

Walker/Fields combined for 6-11 3pt and no other shot attempts. Billups was the only other player to take shots and 10 of those were threes (2-4 2PT, 3-10 3PT), though he did freelance post Rondo once.

Rashidi said...

And yeah that's another thing, I'm not a huge fan of the high post up slider on sim setting.

Juke said...

You should sim on Pro/Defualt

J_Paco said...


I know that you've already objected to using another roster or a modified version of your own, but a couple of the rosters have most of the rookies unlocked (through a hex editing trick). I was wondering if you'd re-think using one of them or a hexed version of your own? I'm not trying to promote another editor, I've enjoyed your editing since 2K4, but would love to see your work with "authentic" rookies.

Side-note: All the rookies have the infamous "black arms" glitch that Carlos Arroyo had in 2K10. I believe this was done intentionally to make them less appealling, but darker skinned players don't look bad with them. Caucasion players are a completely different story.

Holyt said...

Still waiting for ur centers and power forwards comments, I love it.

Rashidi said...

One major mistake may have affected results a bit - didn't adjust Billups Touch tendency so he actually had most on the team.

Rashidi said...

I've finished Celtics ratings and am working on their tendencies now, so full game testing can begin soon.

PK said...

Once again this game take a turn for the worst, constantly fastbreaks are back, postups even with too much defense are back, players shoot over 60 %. Luckely rashidi is there to save are ass and make this game good again. We don't want the best game, we want a good game!

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