Tuesday, December 21, 2010

The Real NBA 2K11 [12-24-10]

FILE NAME: The Real NBA 2K11 [12-24-10]
SYSTEM: Xbox 360
GAMERTAG: Real 2K Insider

DETAILS
85% of league's players have edited ratings and tendencies using advanced statistics from Basketball-Reference, 82games, and Hoopdata
Updated tendencies for all edited players, assisted by Synergy Sports
100% Accurate team rotations using clubhouse & lineup data from Basketball-Reference.
100% Accurate player contracts as per Sham Sports
Updated coach profiles

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

PLAYER RATINGS

Bold denotes new addition or change from previous update.

POINT GUARDS (75/82)
94 – Chris Paul (-2)
89 – Deron Williams (-3)
88 - Russell Westbrook (0)
88 – Derrick Rose (-1)
87 – Rajon Rondo (-3) (INJURED, ETA DECEMBER)
85 – Steve Nash (0)
84 – Stephen Curry (+1) (INJURED, ETA DECEMBER) (LW: +1)
83 – Tony Parker (+2)
81 – Devin Harris (+1)
81 – Raymond Felton (+3) (LW: +1)
80 – Jameer Nelson (+5)
79 – John Wall (-5) (INJURED, ETA DECEMBER)
79 – Darren Collison (+1)
78 – Brandon Jennings (0) (INJURED, ETA JANUARY/FEBRUARY)
77 – Chauncey Billups (-6)
77 – Aaron Brooks (-3)
76 – Rodney Stuckey (+2)
75 – Andre Miller (-1) (LW: +2)
75 – Michael Conley (-3)
75 – Jason Kidd (-8)
75 – Jrue Holiday (-3)
75 – Mo Williams (-3)
75 – Kyle Lowry (-3)
75 – Gilbert Arenas (-8)
74 – Baron Davis (-6)
74 – Louis Williams (+1)
74 – Jose Calderon (+2)
73 – Jerryd Bayless (+7)
73 – Luke Ridnour (+1)
73 – Jonny Flynn (-1)
73 – Ty Lawson (-2)
73 – Nate Robinson (-2)
72 – Jordan Farmar (+5)
72 – Toney Douglas (+1)
72 – Eric Maynor (+5)
71 – Goran Dragic (+3)
71 – Rodrigue Beaubois (+2) (INJURED, ETA JANUARY)
70 – Beno Udrih (+4)
70 – T.J. Ford (-2)
70 – Jarrett Jack (+1)
70 – Jose Barea (+1)
69 – D.J. Augustin (0)
68 – Mike Bibby (-5)
68 – Eric Bledsoe (0)
68 – Mario Chalmers (-1)
68 – Will Bynum (-3)
68 – C.J. Watson (0)
68 – Earl Boykins (+3)
67 – Carlos Arroyo (+3)
67 – George Hill (-9)
67 – Keyon Dooling (-2)
67 – Jeff Teague (+4)
67 – Randy Foye (-3)
67 – Jason Williams (-3)
67 – Earl Watson (+3)
67 – A.J. Price (+14)
66 – Ramon Sessions (-3)
66 – Patrick Mills (0) (LW: +6)
65 – Derek Fisher (-4)
65 – Steve Blake (-3)
65 – Chris Duhon (-4)
64 – Shaun Livingston (+3)
64 – Marcus Banks (+2)
63 – Greivis Vazquez (+6)
63 – Eddie House (-2)
62 – Luther Head (0)
62 – Avery Bradley (-3)
61 - Chris Quinn (+5)
61 – Acie Law (0)
61 – Sherron Collins (-2)
59 – Willie Warren (0)
59 – Anthony Carter (+2)
59 – John Lucas (+11)
58 – Royal Ivey (+5)
51 – Andy Rautins (-9)

SHOOTING GUARDS (68/80)
94 – Dwyane Wade (-1)
93 - Kobe Bryant (-4)
86 – Manu Ginobili (-2)
84 – Monta Ellis (-2) (LW: +1)
81 – Kevin Martin (0)
81 – Eric Gordon (+2)
81 – Brandon Roy (-7) (INJURED, ETA DECEMBER) (LW: -1)
81 – Joe Johnson (-4)
80 – Tyreke Evans (0)
78 – Vince Carter (-3)
78 – Stephen Jackson (-6)
77 – Ray Allen (-3)
77 – Shannon Brown (-1)
77 – Jamal Crawford (-1)
76 – Ben Gordon (-1)
76 – Kirk Hinrich (+2)
76 – James Harden (+2)
75 – Jason Richardson (0)
75 – Jason Terry (-3)
75 – Delonte West (+4) (INJURED, ETA JANUARY)
74 – J.R. Smith (+8)
74 – Richard Hamilton (-3)
73 – John Salmons (-1)
72 – Arron Afflalo (0)
72 – Wesley Johnson (-1)
72 – Daniel Gibson (+11)
72 – Nick Young (+6)
72 – Leandro Barbosa (-2)
71 – Landry Fields (-1)
71 – O.J. Mayo (-6)
71 – Chris Douglas-Roberts (0)
71 – Terrence Williams (-5)
70 – Ronnie Brewer (-1) (LW: +1)
70 – Willie Green (+1)
70 – Marcus Thornton (-1)
70 – Dahntay Jones (-2)
69 - Reggie Williams (+2) (NEW)
69 – J.J. Redick (+3)
69 – Mike Miller (-3)
69 – Courtney Lee (+1)
69 – Francisco Garcia (+2)
69 – Evan Turner (-7)
68 – Anthony Morrow (+3)
68 – Marco Belinelli (+2)
68 – Jodie Meeks (+4)
68 – Rudy Fernandez (0)
68 – Dominique Jones (+2) (D-LEAGUE)
68 - Ronnie Price (+5)
67 – Raja Bell (-3)
67 – Anthony Parker (-2)
67 – Mike Dunleavy (+4)
67 – Brandon Rush (-2)
67 – Rasual Butler (+6)
67 – Jordan Crawford (+3)
66 – Thabo Sefolosha (0)
66 – Von Wafer (+5)
66 – Michael Redd (-7) (INJURED, ETA MARCH)
65 – Demar DeRozan (0)
65 – DeShawn Stevenson (-5)
64 – Bill Walker (-1)
64 - Roger Mason (-4)
63 – Xavier Henry (-5)
63 – Daequan Cook (+4)
62 – Keith Bogans (-5)
62 – Sasha Vujacic (-4)
61 – Gerald Henderson (-6)
61 – Matt Carroll (+6)
61 – Jermaine Taylor (-1)

SMALL FORWARDS (64/83)
94 – LeBron James (-3)
88 – Kevin Durant (-5)
87 – Carmelo Anthony (-6)
83 – Rudy Gay (-3)
83 – Danny Granger (-1)
81 – Gerald Wallace (-3)
80 – Paul Pierce (-2)
79 – Michael Beasley (+1)
78 – Andre Iguodala (-8)
77 – Grant Hill (0)
77 – Andrei Kirilenko (+2)
77 – Caron Butler (-4)
76 – Richard Jefferson (+1)
76 – Luol Deng (-1)
76 – Matt Barnes (+3)
76 – Corey Maggette (-2)
75 – Tayshaun Prince (-1)
74 – Wesley Matthews (+4) (LW: +1)
74 – Shawn Marion (-4)
73 – Danilo Gallinari (+1)
73 – Hedo Turkoglu (-1)
73 – Ron Artest (-6)
73 – Carlos Delfino (+5) (INJURED)
72 – Rashard Lewis (-4)
72 – Shane Battier (-4)
72 – Nicolas Batum (-3) (LW: -1)
71 – Trevor Ariza (-6)
71 – Al-Farouq Aminu (+1)
71 – Omri Casspi (+5)
70 – Travis Outlaw (+1)
70 – Dorell Wright (-4)
70 – Marvin Williams (+4)
70 – Sonny Weems (+7)
70 – Linas Kleiza (+5)
70 – Ryan Gomes (+4)
70 – Jared Dudley (-1)
70 – Mickael Pietrus (-2)
70 – Tracy McGrady (-3)
70 - Kelenna Azubuike (-2) (INJURED, ETA JANUARY)
69 – C.J. Miles (+11)
69 – Jamario Moon (+3)
69 – Joey Graham (+1) (INJURED, ETA JANUARY)
68 – Luc Richard Mbah a Moute (-2)
68 – Kyle Korver (+2)
68 – Quentin Richardson (-2)
68 – Marquis Daniels (+4)
68 – Damien Wilkins (+8) (LW: -1)
68 – Renaldo Balkman (+2)
67 – Andres Nocioni (-1)
67 – Quincy Pondexter (+5)
67 – James Johnson (+4)
66 – Donte Greene (+4)
66 - Peja Stojakovic (+5) (INJURED)
66 – Derrick Brown (-1)
66 – Stephen Graham (+8)
66 – Antoine Wright (+2)
65 – Maurice Evans (-2)
65 – Shawne Williams (+9)
64 – James Jones (+6)
64 – Jawad Williams (+6)
63 – Dominic McGuire (0)
63 – Julian Wright (-1)
63 – Devin Ebanks (-3)
59 – Morris Peterson (+3)
59 – Pape Sy (+7)
58 – Jason Kapono (0)

POWER FORWARDS (76/89)
84 – Dirk Nowitzki (-1)
84 – Kevin Love (+5)
84 – Carlos Boozer (-1)
83 – Kevin Garnett (+3)
83 – Blake Griffin (+1)
82 – Paul Millsap (+3)
82 – Tyrus Thomas (+11)
82 – Josh Smith (-2)
81 – David West (+5)
80 – Luis Scola (-1)
80 – Lamar Odom (+1)
80 – Zach Randolph (0)
80 – Chris Bosh (-3)
79 – Elton Brand (+1)
78 – LaMarcus Aldridge (0) (LW: +1)
78 – Wilson Chandler (-1) (LW: +1)
78 – David Lee (-2) (LW: -1)
78 – Andray Blatche (+5)
75 – Antawn Jamison (-4)
75 – Kenyon Martin (-2)
75 – Kris Humphries (+7)
75 – Jeff Green (-3)
75 – Serge Ibaka (-2)
75 – Taj Gibson (+3)
75 – Glen Davis (+3)
74 – Amir Johnson (+11)
74 – Brandon Bass (+2)
74 – DeJuan Blair (+5)
73 – Carl Landry (-2)
73 – Al Harrington (-1)
73 – Thaddeus Young (-2)
73 – Udonis Haslem (+2) (INJURED, OUT FOR SEASON)
72 – Jason Thompson (+1)
72 – J.J. Hickson (+0)
72 - Jason Maxiell (+1)
72 – Tyler Hansbrough (+4)
72 – Anthony Randolph (+2)
71 – Hakim Warrick (+7)
71 – Drew Gooden (+1)
71 – Charlie Villanueva (0)
71 – D.J. White (+10)
70 – Boris Diaw (0)
70 – Channing Frye (+7)
70 – Craig Smith (+8) (LW: -1)
70 – Darrell Arthur (+7)
70 – Ryan Anderson (+8)
70 – Jonas Jerebko (+4) (INJURED, ETA MARCH)
69 - Louis Amundson (+5)
69 – Patrick Patterson (-3)
69 – Ed Davis (+2)
68 – Reggie Evans (+5) (INJURED, ETA FEBRUARY)
68 – Matt Bonner (+10)
68 – Ersan Ilyasova (-1)
68 – Jason Smith (+9)
68 – Austin Daye (+7)
68 – Leon Powe (+3)
67 – Shelden Williams (+7)
67 – Josh McRoberts (+11)
67 – Anthony Tolliver (+5) (INJURED, ETA JANUARY)
67 – Dante Cunningham (+6)
67 – Chris Wilcox (+5)
67 – Luke Harangody (+9)
66 - Josh Powell (+2)
66 – Darius Songaila (+1)
66 - Ike Diogu (+10)
64 – Juwan Howard (+6)
64 – Craig Brackins (-1)
63 – Jon Brockman (+10)
62 – Luke Walton (-4)
62 – Joe Smith (0)
61 - Vladimir Radmanovic (+8)
60 – Eduardo Najera (-3)
58 – Brian Cook (+4)
55 – Brian Scalabrine (+11)
55 – Brian Cardinal (-1)
53 – Steve Novak (+8)

CENTERS (85/99)
93 – Dwight Howard (+4)
86 – Amare Stoudemire (0)
86 – Tim Duncan (+1)
85 – Pau Gasol (-4)
84 – Al Horford (+3)
82 - Andrew Bogut (-1)
81 – Joakim Noah (-1) (INJURED, ETA FEBRUARY/MARCH)
81 – Roy Hibbert (+3)
80 – Yao Ming (-3) (INJURED, OUT FOR SEASON)
79 – Shaquille O’Neal (+2)
78 – Al Jefferson (-2)
78 – Nene (+3)
78 – Emeka Okafor (0)
77 – Marc Gasol (0)
77 – Andrew Bynum (0)
77 – Kendrick Perkins (+4) (INJURED, ETA FEBRUARY)
76 – Brook Lopez (-2)
76 – Marcus Camby (-2)
76 – Mehmet Okur (+1) (INJURED, ETA DECEMBER)
75 – Tyson Chandler (+3)
75 – Jermaine O’Neal (+1) (INJURED, ETA DECEMBER)
74 – Marcin Gortat (+5)
74 – Greg Oden (-1) (INJURED, OUT FOR SEASON)
73 – Chris Kaman (-5) (INJURED, ETA JANUARY)
72 – Andrea Bargnani (-2)
72 – Anderson Varejao (0)
72 – Zydrunas Ilgauskas (+2)
72 – DeMarcus Cousins (+2)
71 – JaVale McGee (+4)
71 – Nazr Mohammed (+6)
71 – Robin Lopez (+7)
71 – Brad Miller (+5)
71 – Samuel Dalembert (+1)
70 – Ben Wallace (-4)
70 – Brendan Haywood (-1)
70 – Chris Andersen (+4) (INJURED, ETA DECEMBER)
70 – Marreese Speights (-1)
70 – Tiago Splitter (+6)
69 – Darko Milicic (+2)
69 – Chuck Hayes (+1)
69 - Ronny Turiaf (+2)
69 – Joel Przybilla (+2)
68 – Spencer Hawes (+2)
68 – Zaza Pachulia (+3)
68 – Ryan Hollins (+13)
68 – Larry Sanders (+3)
68 – Nick Collison (+5)
68 – Kurt Thomas (0)
67 - Andris Biedrins (-2)
67 – Cole Aldrich (+3)
66 – Greg Monroe (-1)
66 - Epke Udoh (-2)
66 – Erick Dampier (+6)
65 – Nenad Krstic (+6)
65 – Joel Anthony (+7)
65 – David Andersen (+8)
64 – DeAndre Jordan (+3)
64 – Hasheem Thabeet (+4)
64 – Kwame Brown (+2)
63 – Ian Mahinmi (+12)
63 – DJ Mbenga (+12)
63 – Timofey Mozgov (+4)
63 – Derrick Caracter (0)
62 – Tony Battie (+5)
62 – Omer Asik (+3)
62 – Semih Erden (+4)
62 – Theo Ratliff (+2) (INJURED, ETA DECEMBER)
62 – Johan Petro (+6)
62 – Hassan Whiteside (+8)
62 – Etan Thomas (+1)
61 – Hamed Haddadi (+7)
61 – Jamaal Magloire (+4)
60 – Kyrylo Fesenko (+11)
60 – DeSagana Diop (+2)
60 – Solomon Jones (+7)
60 – Melvin Ely (+1)
60 – Dexter Pittman (+10)
59 – Joey Dorsey (-4)
59 – Brian Skinner (+3)
59 – Eddy Curry (-5)
56 – Byron Mullens (+10)
55 – Malik Allen (-3)
55 – Jarron Collins (+7)
54 – Jason Collins (+3)
51 – Alexis Ajinca (+10)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TEAM RATINGS
Rating is average of Defense and Offense (2K's Overall proven to be inaccurate)

Rating, Team (Defense-Offense-Overall)

Please note that injuries are factored in, and that team rotations & player minutes matter just as much as the player ratings (if not more so). For instance, taking a mere two minutes away from Kobe Bryant and giving them to Derek Fisher will result in a 1 point reduction to the team's defensive rating (-0.5 overall). Taking Matt Barnes out of the rotation and giving all of his minutes to Luke Walton would result in a 3 point reduction to defense and a 1 point reduction to offense (-2.0 overall).

EASTERN CONFERENCE
90.0 Magic (90-90-88) (LW: +1.0)
86.5 Heat (92-81-84)
85.5 Knicks (78-93-80) (LW: +0.5)
83.0 Bulls (92-74-82) (LW: -1.0)
83.0 Celtics (86-80-81)
78.0 Hawks (81-75-77) (LW: -1.5)
78.0 Sixers (79-77-75)
77.5 Bucks (87-68-78) (LW: -1.0)
77.5 Bobcats (85-70-77) (LW: -0.5)
76.0 Cavaliers (81-71-73) (LW: +0.5)
75.0 Pacers (79-71-72) (LW: -0.5)
74.0 Raptors (72-76-70)
73.5 Wizards (76-71-70)
70.5 Nets (76-65-70) (LW: -1.5)
69.5 Pistons (71-68-68) (LW: -0.5)

WESTERN CONFERENCE
87.5 Thunder (92-83-86) (LW: +2.5)
86.5 Jazz (89-84-82) (LW: +1.0)
85.5 Lakers (92-81-86) (LW: -0.5)
85.0 Nuggets (82-88-80) LW: +1.5)
81.0 Spurs (85-77-80) (LW: -1.0)
80.0 Suns (78-82-77)
79.5 Mavericks (82-77-77)
78.5 Hornets (77-80-75) (LW: +0.5)
78.0 Grizzlies (72-84-77) (LW: +1.0)
75.5 Kings (75-76-75) (LW: +1.0)
75.0 Rockets (75-75-74)
74.5 Trailblazers (80-69-75) (LW: -3.5)
73.0 Warriors (70-76-73) (LW: +1.0)
72.0 Clippers (76-68-70) (LW: -1.0)
71.5 Timberwolves (72-71-73) (LW: -0.5)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

INJURED LIST

Players not in the team rotation due to injuries. If you're wondering why your team's rating is low, this is probably why.

76ers - N/A
Bobcats - N/A
Bucks - Brandon Jennings (78/PG), Carlos Delfino (73/SF), Michael Redd (66/SG)
Bulls - Joakim Noah (81/C)
Cavaliers - Joey Graham (69/SF)
Celtics - Rajon Rondo (87/PG), Kendrick Perkins (77/C), Jermaine O'Neal (75/C), Delonte West (75/SG)
Clippers - Chris Kaman (73/C), Craig Smith (70/PF)
Grizzlies - N/A
Hawks - Jamal Crawford (77/SG)
Heat - Udonis Haslem (73/PF)
Hornets - N/A
Jazz - N/A
Kings - N/A
Knicks - Kelenna Azubuike (70/SF)
Lakers - Theo Ratliff (62/C)
Magic - Daniel Orton (59/C)
Mavericks - Rodrigue Beaubois (71/PG)
Nets - Damion James (70/SF), Anthony Morrow (68/SG)
Nuggets - N/A
Pacers - N/A
Pistons - Terrico White (65/SG)
Raptors - Reggie Evans (68/PF), Peja Stojakovic (66/SF)
Rockets - Yao Ming (80/C)
Spurs - George Hill (72/PG), James Anderson (67/SF)
Suns - N/A
Thunder - Nenad Krstic (65/C)
Timberwolves - Anthony Tolliver (67/PF)
Trailblazers - Brandon Roy (81/SG), Greg Oden (74/C), Elliot Williams (64/SG)
Warriors - Stephen Curry (84/PG), Brandan Wright (64/PF)
Wizards - John Wall (79/PG), Yi Jianlian (67/PF)

307 comments:

1 – 200 of 307   Newer›   Newest»
Anonymous said...

Where is Andris Biedrins??

themove said...

Tyrus Thomas 82 overall and by you ranked #6 PF in the game? Really? Jacked up more than your Randolph. Guy gets 20mpg and can't start over Diaw.

Ill take your ratings over 2k but Ill be going back to defualt on Thomas since hes done nothing to get a boast especially +11 overall boast.

Anonymous said...

Tyrus Thomas:


Ranks #25 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage (0.515)

Ranks #43 in the NBA in Free-Throw Percentage (0.833)

Ranks #23 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes (9.88)

Ranks #22 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes (7.34)

Ranks #35 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (13.2)

Ranks #9 in the NBA in Blocks Per 48 Minutes (3.42)

Ranks #27 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes (27.1)

Ranks #12 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes (32.28)


With an 82 rating, he is ranked 29th overall in the game

Ian said...

Good man.

Anonymous said...

Tyrus Thomas is not even a top 100 player in the NBA. he can't even start on one of the worst teams in the NBA with no good fowards or centers period.

Instead of efficiency how about trying common sense!

Ranking him a top 6 PF in the game is dumber and mor eidiot than anything the 2k insider has done in rosters.

themove said...

Kevin Martin is ranked #2 in ppg per 48 mins. Guess that means hes the 2nd best scorer in the NBA!

Sheldon Williams is #15 in rebounds per 48 mins guess he is a top 15 rebounder in the NBA.

Tony Allen is #1 for steal per 48 min. Nobody robs players like Allen.

Guess this is how you view players is you lack common sense!

Sam said...

@TheMove

Get a life.

Ian said...

^You really like looking at that overall rating.

TheMove said...

Making rosters is about evaluating talent and the players. Rashidi sucks big time at this. Every attribute is not about stats. Stats lie and mislead! You have to use common sense to weed out the crazy stats that might make a player like Tyrus Thomas accually seem like hes good and not just a talented player who is raw and dumb as a brick. Same goes with Rashidi's overrating of Anthony Randolph. Randolph is raw as hell and two very good coaches couldn't get him to produce.

You do put morer time into the rosters and of course the 2k insider slacks big time. on 1-10 on a lazy scale the 2k insider is a 10. His rosters are better though.

Your SoDs, and Sits are messed up big time. You will have players like OJ Mayo with a 50 sod but than give someone like Darko a 68 sit saying he shoot of the dribble better than a guard with good handles.

Common Man!

themove said...

I want to use your rosters because you put way more time in and look at every player but anyone can look at stats that doesn't mean you know anything. Stats mislead.

Your rosters are good if you want rosters that reflects how a player is playing right now. But 99% of ppl use your roster for a association and I want a player rated fairly and not just how his last 10 games went.

If a player is playing bad its ok to lower him down alittle. But lowering a player from a stud to a scrub is way to far. Same goes for someone that could never hit a 3pt shot but so far this year is money. They shouldn't be jack up but they should go up alittle. Can't be so quick to jump the gun.

Anonymous said...

"Randolph is raw as hell and two very good coaches couldn't get him to produce."

He produced REALLY well when Nelson actually played him in GS. D'Antoni won't even give him a chance since he runs a tight rotation.

As for Tyrus, just looking at his ratings, they're not too bad except for the 79 Off Awareness/80 mid range. He's not 1 point worse of a mid-range shooter than Kobe Bryant, whose 81 mid-range shot is way too low. But I'm guessing you're basing this off the current season.

Davon Brown said...

Hey Rashidi nice job on the rosters! What's the likelihood of releasing another roster before Christmas?

Anonymous said...

The hittest team now in NBA, top of every power ranking, also the deepest team is ranked 9th in your ratings? Are the injuries included or are these uninjured overalls for teams?

Rashidi said...

Tyrus Thomas 82 overall and by you ranked #6 PF in the game? Really? Jacked up more than your Randolph. Guy gets 20mpg and can't start over Diaw.


As has been said, players do not always have control over their minutes. Do you think Gary Forbes is a better player than J.R. Smith?

Anonymous said...

Wow so andre miller and jarryd bayless are rated the same! good job! These two are totally equivalent players! That's why the Blazers traded Bayless away for nothing and Dre plays 38 minutes a game on a playoff team, while Bayless can't get 20 minutes a game off the bench for Toronto. Duh, how had I not noticed this.

Also, LaMarcus Aldridge is putting up around 30 ppg and 15 rpg over the past two weeks. Obviously he is a middle of the road power forward.

Sorry to be a homer, but the east coast bias and just general inattention here has me looking to other rosters.

Rashidi said...

Kevin Martin is ranked #2 in ppg per 48 mins. Guess that means hes the 2nd best scorer in the NBA!

Are you trying to deny he is a good scorer? He's ranked 11th per game despite playing fewer minutes (31.8) than everyone else on the top 20.


Sheldon Williams is #15 in rebounds per 48 mins guess he is a top 15 rebounder in the NBA.

I'm confused. Rebounding is the only reason Shelden Williams is in the league, thus doesn't deserve credit for his one viable NBA skill?


Tony Allen is #1 for steal per 48 min. Nobody robs players like Allen.

Aside from Rondo and Paul, you are 100% correct. Wait, you were trying to tell us otherwise? Where have you been the last 5 years?

Rashidi said...

Same goes with Rashidi's overrating of Anthony Randolph. Randolph is raw as hell and two very good coaches couldn't get him to produce.

LOL @ you calling Mike D'Antoni and Don Nelson good coaches.

In case you forgot so soon, Randolph produced for Don Nelson.

Rashidi said...

Your rosters are good if you want rosters that reflects how a player is playing right now. But 99% of ppl use your roster for a association and I want a player rated fairly and not just how his last 10 games went.


I only use season stats. I could care less about the last 10 games with one exception: Minutes per game.

Rashidi said...

Hey Rashidi nice job on the rosters! What's the likelihood of releasing another roster before Christmas?

Very high. I need to get Mike Miller healthy, plus I found a few tweaks I missed.

Rashidi said...

The hittest team now in NBA, top of every power ranking, also the deepest team is ranked 9th in your ratings? Are the injuries included or are these uninjured overalls for teams?


Yes. Celtics have Rondo out, Bulls have Noah out, Lakers just got back Bynum. I'm assuming you're talking about the Spurs. I didn't get a chance to tweak their ratings but they will be adjusted (and completed) by Christmas.

Rashidi said...

As for Tyrus, just looking at his ratings, they're not too bad except for the 79 Off Awareness/80 mid range. He's not 1 point worse of a mid-range shooter than Kobe Bryant, whose 81 mid-range shot is way too low. But I'm guessing you're basing this off the current season.

Tyrus Thomas is hitting 53% of his mid-range shots, which isn't a fluke, because he hit 44% of them last year too.

Thomas only has 48 SOD rating so he isn't going to be making them off the dribble like Kobe will.

Also worth noting that Kobe is 16 points better from Close range (the other half of mid-range game).

It is also definitely worth noting that Kobe only hits 2.1 mid-range shots per game (5.5 attempts), while Thomas hits 1.2 in his 20 mpg. Thomas might be known as a dunker, but he's obviously developed his jumper. Nobody has noticed yet because he plays for Charlotte (and because his minutes have been limited).

themove said...

Rashidi's rosters are complete garbage!

josh Smith having a higher Three rating that Joe Johnson. Shows that Rashidi's rosters are 100% based on stats and 0% based on common sense.

When have you ever seen kobe shoot a wide open mid range jumper. how many open js do you think someone like Thomas gets? I don't care if Kobe is standing still and so is Thomas.

Garbage rosters.

Rashidi said...

The reason the Bobcats are 9-18 is because Thomas is not playing enough minutes. He has easily been their best player so far but instead Larry Brown continues to use schlubs like Shaun Livingston and Dominic McGuire more frequently. Even Kwame Brown is stealing time from Thomas.

As has been stated in Anthony Randolph discussions, players do not have control over hard headed coaches.

The Bobcats are the 3rd worst offensive team in the league, and Thomas has EASILY been their most effective offensive player. He is shooting 51.5% from the field and 83% from the line.
Gerald Wallace is shooting 43% from the field and 73% from the line.
Stephen Jackson is shooting 42% from the field and gets to the line half as much as either player.
Boris Diaw shoots 51% from the field but doesn't get to the line AT ALL.

Should be fairly obvious what the team needs more of, and it's not Livingston/McGuire/Kwame.

Larry Brown loves those type of players though (blue collar veterans without a lick of offensive talent), so I hardly expect that to change.

Rashidi said...

Bobcats PER
22.6 Tyrus Thomas
17.0 Nazr Mohammed
14.8 D.J. Augustin
14.8 Gerald Wallace
14.7 Stephen Jackson

13.2 Derrick Brown
12.2 Kwame Brown
12.1 Boris Diaw
10.2 Shaun Livingston
9.8 Matt Carroll
7.6 Dominic McGuire
6.1 Gerald Henderson
4.5 DaSagana Diop
0.5 Eduardo Najera
-1.1 Sherron Collins

What more can he do to earn playing time????? He is the lone bright spot on the team. At the very least he deserves 30 mpg, which would have him in Sixth Man of Year discussion.

Anonymous said...

Wait does Josh Smith actually have a higher three than Joe Johnson?

Rashidi said...

Wow so andre miller and jarryd bayless are rated the same! good job! These two are totally equivalent players! That's why the Blazers traded Bayless away for nothing and Dre plays 38 minutes a game on a playoff team, while Bayless can't get 20 minutes a game off the bench for Toronto. Duh, how had I not noticed this.

Andre Miller averages 13 points and 7 assists in 33 mpg. He also shoots 6% (1-18) from three point range.

Jerryd Bayless in Toronto is averaging 12 points and 4 assists in 22 mpg. He is also shooting 39.5% from 3pt range as a Raptor (15-38).

Common sense has always dictated that Bayless is a much better scorer than Andre Miller. That's why none of us were surprised when Bayless dropped 31, 20, and 17 in his last three starts.

You were watching the NBA this week, right?

Anonymous said...

Dearest Rashidi,

Lots of guys who look great in 20 minutes look like hell in 30 minutes. Not having to carry the world on your back makes carrying anything at all look like an accomplishment.

Yours truly,
anonymous.

Anonymous said...

Dearest Rashidi,

Scoring isn't everything when it comes to basketball. There is this thing called intangibles. It leads to wins. Empty scoring leads to 'great stats on bad teams'-guys. Do you honestly think Bayless will ever be anything other than that?

Yours truly,
Anonymous.

Rashidi said...

Also, LaMarcus Aldridge is putting up around 30 ppg and 15 rpg over the past two weeks. Obviously he is a middle of the road power forward.

LaMarcus Aldridge is averaging 20.1 ppg and 8.8 rpg through 12 December games.

You sir, are a liar. Perhaps you have him mixed up with Amare Stoudemire?

Aldridge only has two 30 point games over his last ten, and has 5 games where he didn't even crack 20 (including a 4 point stinker vs the Clippers).

Lets not get started on his rebounding either. He has only cracked 10 boards over his last 4 games (10, 10, 12, and 19). I'm not sure which universe you're from where that averages out to 15, but I'd rather not be a part of it.

Rashidi said...

Also, LaMarcus Aldridge is putting up around 30 ppg and 15 rpg over the past two weeks. Obviously he is a middle of the road power forward.

LaMarcus Aldridge is averaging 20.1 ppg and 8.8 rpg through 12 December games.

You sir, are a liar. Perhaps you have him mixed up with Amare Stoudemire?

Also, it seems you are not aware that 6 days (Dec 15th to the 20th) does not constitute one week, much less TWO. Aldridge had two consecutive 30+ point games that came on the heels of a week that saw him score 14, 23, 16, and 13, while also compiling the following rebound totals: 6, 4, 7, 6.

Put all those numbers together and what do you get?

A middle of the road power forward.

Rashidi said...

Lots of guys who look great in 20 minutes look like hell in 30 minutes. Not having to carry the world on your back makes carrying anything at all look like an accomplishment.

Perhaps you should name some names, because I can give you one that doesn't.

Manu Ginobili.

Rashidi said...

josh Smith having a higher Three rating that Joe Johnson. Shows that Rashidi's rosters are 100% based on stats and 0% based on common sense.

Johnson is 24-98 (.245) on threes this season. It should be noted that 71 is exactly where 2K's rosters have him.

Josh Smith is 22-50 (.440) on threes this season. 78 is where I have him. 63 is where 2K has him.

Smith's 50 SOD ensures he is only effective off the catch, while Johnson's 73 SOD grants him more situations in which he can launch his inefficient long range jumper.

When JJ shows he can hit the three again, he goes up. What is so difficult to understand about this concept? He has played like ASS this season and his 3pt stroke is perhaps the most important reason why.

Rashidi said...

When have you ever seen kobe shoot a wide open mid range jumper. how many open js do you think someone like Thomas gets? I don't care if Kobe is standing still and so is Thomas.

What part of 48 SOD did you not understand? Thomas is obviously a respectable shooter if he is hitting half of his mid-range shots over the last two seasons, wide open or not.

PLAYER A
88 Close
81 Mid
94 Handle
76 SOD
87 Security

PLAYER B
72 Close
80 Mid
58 Handle
48 SOD
37 Security

It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the vast difference between these two players.

But since I believe I'm dealing with a special case here...

Player A can create his own shot from anywhere at any time, without negative penalty.

Player B cannot create his own shot, and any attempts to do so come with severe penalty (decreased accuracy and turnover risk).

themove said...

You do realize that standing still wide open kobe would make more jumpers than Thomas right? I don't care what both players SoD is. Im saying both players spoting up and shooting Thomas is still not close to Kobe.

Like tyhe anonymous guy said Thier is a big difference in between playing 20mpg and say 38mpg. Also playing against a teams bench and not being much focus on defense.

Alot of players that are talented don't get the minutes because they are bone heads or pick up to many fouls or just can't play more minutes.

I think Larry Brown and every coach in the NBA knows more about thier players and line ups than you, me and everyone else.

Rashidi said...

Scoring isn't everything when it comes to basketball. There is this thing called intangibles. It leads to wins. Empty scoring leads to 'great stats on bad teams'-guys. Do you honestly think Bayless will ever be anything other than that?

Is that why the intangible heavy Blazers are one game over .500?

Is that also why Andre Miller has enjoyed a "significant" amount of playoff success? His teams are 9-24 in the playoffs, including 2006 when his 3rd seed Nuggets were obliterated by the 6th seed CLIPPERS in 5 games. The man just has the magic something. (It surely isn't his jumpshot).

Anyway the teams I did not get a chance to tweak are as follows: Blazers, Warriors, Nuggets, Nets, Pistons, Pacers.

Miller will surely go up as his assists and steals are up from last season, even if his 3pt shooting is even worse.

Rashidi said...

You do realize that standing still wide open kobe would make more jumpers than Thomas right? I don't care what both players SoD is. Im saying both players spoting up and shooting Thomas is still not close to Kobe.

Can you prove that?

Kobe is +16 Close and +27 3pt over Thomas. Are you seriously going to cry about him being "only" +1 Mid over a guy who is hitting more than half his shots?

Ian said...

Most NBA players worth anything can catch and shoot a wide-open jumper.

Anonymous said...

“The greatest ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about.”

Ian said...

^I agree.

Rashidi said...

Most NBA players worth anything can catch and shoot a wide-open jumper.

Anyone with a 70 rating is going to hit a wide open set shot 80-90% of the time.

Anonymous said...

quick game bulls vs my new look magic. superstar default

at time the game was euphoria, but the bulls were running alot of look plays with deng and just alot of catch and shoot with the wings.
and they were hitting the majority contested. I dont know if its because superstar level or not all star not as bad but the damage was done and everybody was hot.

Rashidi said...

I stopped playing games on superstar and hall of fame for that exact reason. Higher difficulty means CPU cheats instead of CPU plays smarter.

Anonymous said...

These rosters are so bad.... I really don't think you understand what SiT is? Good slashers and players that are good at making shots in heavy traffic will have good SiT ratings. Not player like Tyson Chandler who you have with a 99 SiT.

Your ratings are so messed up I can't help but lauph and than feel sorry for all the time you waste.


If you did rosters for NBA 2k i wouldn't even buy the game. Your just a avg joe like everyone else but you take it too the extreme with a blog and spending too much time editing rosters.

Lunatic Wolf said...

Mehmet Okur is playing again. He tweaked his other ankle, so he sat out the last game, but his Achilles has healed.

Sloan is limiting him to 10 min per until he gets his confidence back.

Anonymous said...

Rashidi said "Anyone with a 70 rating is going to hit a wide open set shot 80-90% of the time."

So why did you jack Thomas's mid range +10 more than it should be? You just burned your self here.

Lunatic Wolf said...

Dearest Anonymous and themove;

You realize that overall rating means nothing in how the player plays?

Yours Truly
Wolf

Lunatic Wolf said...

@Anonymous

Probably because the game mechanics don't work like real life.

Rashidi said...

Tyrus Thomas
Inside Scoring: C+
Outside Scoring: C
Perimeter Defense: B
Post Defense: B+

Ball Handling: D+
Rebounding: B+
Basketball IQ: A-
Athleticism: B


Average Starting PF
Inside Scoring: B
Outside Scoring: C
Perimeter Defense: C+
Post Defense: C+
Ball Handling: C-
Rebounding: B
Basketball IQ: B
Athleticism: C+

Thomas has below average scoring tools, but is an excellent defender and rebounder courtesy of his athleticism. He is a specialty player with well defined strengths and weaknesses. He is not nearly as well rounded as say...

Paul Millsap
Inside Scoring: B+
Outside Scoring: C+

Perimeter Defense: C+
Post Defense: B-
Ball Handling: D+
Rebounding: B+
Basketball IQ: B+
Athleticism: B-


Millsap is a better offensive player, but Thomas is the better defender. Millsap is noticed because he plays on a high profile team.

I find it very difficult to believe the Tyrus Thomas we have today would not thrive in a starting opportunity. 15/8 w/ 2 blocks is EXTREMELY reasonable. That's what Josh Smith averages.

Smith: 15.6 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 2.2 bpg, 33.6 mpg
Thomas: 11.5 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 1.5 bpg, 20.5 mpg

Is there anyone here who REALLY thinks Thomas wouldn't average 4 more points and 3 more rebounds in 13 more minutes?

Anonymous said...

Wes Matthews = criminally underrated by you. Dude is a beast on both ends of the court.

Lunatic Wolf said...

@anonymous

Rashidi: "Anyway the teams I did not get a chance to tweak are as follows: Blazers, Warriors, Nuggets, Nets, Pistons, Pacers."

Anonymous said...

rashidi any release for ps3 roster to ffaacc03 .i like to test your latest roster has the spurs gary neal been edit.

Anonymous said...

Rahshidi

whats with the clones in your FA pool?

Caveman said...

You guys need it repeated every single time a roster drops? The overall ratings of players are skewed by 2K's retarded rating system. Offensive and Defensive Awareness raises overalls by huge amounts. Players are certain positions are raised or lower based on skill set.

The classic example of this is Dirk Nowitzki who is always in the low 80s despite being arguably a top 10 game in the league at any given time.

Whoever is saying Jarryd Bayless is a worse player than Andre Miller at this point in either career is nuts. No chance you've seen Bayless play in Toronto like I have. He's playing better than he ever has and it's about his minutes and not the rest of the team. He's showing actual point guard skills with his playmaking and can score (which isn't a revelation). He's playing defense and making clutch plays even. When he starts he plays infinitely better than Andre Miller.

Anonymous said...

Haha Rashidi deletd half th ecomments on the blog bc they were riping him a new one. Your rosters are garbage.

Rashidi said...

Haven't deleted any comments, nor have any been classified as Spam. Keep the troll train rollin.

Rashidi said...

whats with the clones in your FA pool?

They were released from the late 90s Bulls and Jazz. Haven't decided if I'm going to reduce them to 25 or not. Doesn't really matter either way since they're not good enough to ever get signed during an Association.

Anonymous said...

rashidi your latest roster will it be release for ps3 user.

Rashidi said...

These rosters are so bad.... I really don't think you understand what SiT is? Good slashers and players that are good at making shots in heavy traffic will have good SiT ratings. Not player like Tyson Chandler who you have with a 99 SiT.

Tyson Chandler gets an "And 1" on 7.5% of his shot attempts. Are you really going to try and tell me he doesn't finish well in traffic?

And1%
Chandler: 7.5
Howard: 7.0
Wade: 6.7
Griffin: 5.6
Amare: 5.2
D-Will: 5.1
Kobe: 4.5
LeBron: 4.5
Durant: 3.5
Dirk: 2.2
CP3: 1.9

Rashidi said...

Starting center And1%
M.Gasol: 11.7
Nene: 10.2
Shaq: 9.1
Okafor: 7.8
Chandler: 7.5
McGee: 7.3
Howard: 7.0
Amare: 5.2
Noah: 5.1
Wallace: 5.1
Varejao: 4.7
Camby: 4.3
Jefferson: 4.0
Bargnani: 4.0
B.Lopez: 3.9
Krstic: 3.9
P.Gasol: 3.8
Hibbert: 3.3
Horford: 3.1
Hayes: 3.1
Darko: 3.0
Duncan: 2.7
Biedrins: 2.6
Kaman: 2.5
Mohammed: 2.4
R.Lopez: 2.0
Dalembert: 2.0
Bogut: 1.5
Hawes: 1.3
Ilgauskas: 0.8

It goes without saying that the players at the top of the list are generally physical players that look to create contact with their opponent, while the players at the bottom are mostly finesse players who aren't taking many contested shots, or look to avoid contact.

Tyson Chandler may not be a featured offensive player but neither are Samuel Dalembert, Nazr Mohammed, Chuck Hayes, etc. There's a reason he is converting through contact significantly more than they are.

Caveman said...

Centers will generally have higher SIT ratings because they:

1. Face off against bigger, more physical defenders

2. Have to take more contested shots, as they are not faking out defenders or crossing people over

3. Because of their size, finish in traffic more (as they are literally at the rim most of the time) and take more dunks than other players

If Centers don't have high SIT ratings, they will miss contested dunks on a regular basis and it's unrealistic. Don't look at the rating compared to smaller players, look at how they play.

Stop trying to rate players based on their reputations! Tyson Chandler is playing his best this year. Just because you don't think he reserves rating x in category y, doesn't mean he's not playing at the level the rating deserves.

Also, some ratings, like SIT or awareness, etc. don't have any players deserving of 99s or those extremely high ratings. Kobe shouldn't get a 99 in SIT or SOD or whatever just because he's the best in the league at it right now. If you want players making every shot they take, play NBA Jam.

(The one player I would say has a overrated SIT rating is Reggie Evans as he misses nearly every defended dunk he attempts this year.)

chad said...

Your response to the SIT "comment" made me think of something. Does Derrick Rose's inane habit of contorting around defenders affect your SIT ratings by way of his low (I'm assuming) And-1%? I don't have your roster in front of me so I don't really know where you have Rose's SIT rating. I know it's impossible to watch every minute of every game, that's why you use stats, which as opposed to some commenters, I have no problem with. In any case Rose's situation would seem to be the exception rather than the norm. Hopefully this won't spark another argument about how Kobe's shot ratings need to be 99 because he's someone's favorite player.

2K SPORTS REP said...

Rashidi's rosters are garbage! People dont realize what he's doing is equivalent to jerking off while your woman lay'n next to you. +1, +3, -1, -4, + 1, -2. all your doing is ruining this game. who cares about adding 1, or subtracting 2 from upload to upload. especially when a player is doing bad -8, and leave him there for the rest of the season. your not really into your rosters like you should be . you only pretend to do all this bullshit so people could visit your website. so that you can get all your hits in. thats why all your rosters are unfinished products of crap. your never gonna put out a roster and say "hey, It's all 100% Done!!!!. maybe 1 week before 2k12 comes out he'll say he's finished. All you rashidi nut-riders are waiting for something thats never gonna be finished and with no extras. Also your always wondering why your rosters arent doing well, compared to others putting out better material. Man, Do something constructive,,,, Oh, rashidi is going to erase this and say it ended up in spam, cause he know's this is the truth... your washed up... go ahead and erase this like the REAL ASSWIPE THAT YOU ARE...

Rashidi said...

I should note that I am not using And1% to determine SIT rating; just citing it as an example.

Rose vs average starting PG
88 Close (+12)
83 Mid (+6)
85 3pt (+8)
93 SOD (+15)
61 SIT (+3)

Rose is still going to make contested shots due to his high shot ratings.

Rashidi said...

your never gonna put out a roster and say "hey, It's all 100% Done!!!!.

Because it never will be. The NBA landscape changes every single day.

chad said...

Appreciate the explanation. I'm not sure what I find more amusing: whether people think that by putting 2k sports in their name they can convince you they actually work there or that that somehow makes them the leading authority on 2k11 ratings. Actually that last point just depresses me.

Whitstatman said...

Rashidi's rosters are garbage! People dont realize what he's doing is equivalent to jerking off while your woman lay'n next to you. +1, +3, -1, -4, + 1, -2. all your doing is ruining this game. who cares about adding 1, or subtracting 2 from upload to upload. especially when a player is doing bad -8, and leave him there for the rest of the season. your not really into your rosters like you should be . you only pretend to do all this bullshit so people could visit your website. so that you can get all your hits in. thats why all your rosters are unfinished products of crap. your never gonna put out a roster and say "hey, It's all 100% Done!!!!. maybe 1 week before 2k12 comes out he'll say he's finished. All you rashidi nut-riders are waiting for something thats never gonna be finished and with no extras. Also your always wondering why your rosters arent doing well, compared to others putting out better material. Man, Do something constructive,,,, Oh, rashidi is going to erase this and say it ended up in spam, cause he know's this is the truth... your washed up... go ahead and erase this like the REAL ASSWIPE THAT YOU ARE...

http://images.cryhavok.org/d/425-2/Motivator+-+No+One+Cares.jpg

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Caveman said...

The only way a roster will be done 100% is when it's in the off season. How can anyone say that a roster is 100% done if there are games every single day? A player can get injured any day. A player can be playing poor and get out his funk any day.

A perfect example is Chris Bosh, who started the season poorly but is now playing so well that he's getting three point end of game shot plays being drawn up for him. He went from being the most wanted FA PF this summer to the worst contract in the league to the without a doubt best third option. Bosh is showing again why he had everyone after him after starting slowly out of the gate.

If someone updated every player after the first month of the season and called it the 100% completed roster, would that make it the best roster two months into the season? No.

The reason Rashidi's rosters don't come out every week is because the NBA changes on a daily basis. As a Raptors fan, I can tell you that nearly every roster update Rashidi has released has had a different Raptor player as the best on the roster. Why? Because every week/month, the Raptors have a best player. Jose, Bargs, Barbosa, Amir, Jack... it changes from week to week, month to month and Rashidi's rosters reflect that.

If you don't like his rosters, fuck off. Use 2K's rosters, with the most popular players being the best, no matter the reality.

People may call me a fanboy or whatever, but I'd be right back to 2K if they're rosters made sense. The fact the Rashidi haters are here makes less sense, since they could just as easily ignore him. This is his blog, not 2K's.

Lunatic Wolf said...

I just look at this way.

The fact that he has people trolling his blog shows that he knows what he is doing. People wouldn't take the time to troll a horrible roster.

Anonymous said...

Will try again - where is Andris Biedrins??

Anonymous said...

awesome work rashidi...but i cant find your roster on 2k share? whats up with that?

Anonymous said...

it's there, i downloaded tonight.

Anonymous said...

ok but how do i find it...i get no results search for real or 2k?

Anonymous said...

^^^^^^^^^^^ on the 360, search by gamer tag and type in: real 2k insider

Anonymous said...

I think there is some truth to the criticism on the Tyrus Thomas rating. PER is a fine statistic, but only when players have similar minutes. It notoriously overrates certain players with low playing time. In past years, Marreese Speights has had an amazing PER, but simply isn't an amazing player.

Anonymous said...

Hi Rashidi!
I would ask you if in this last update you have edited Ratings,Tendencies and Touches(no hotspots,freelance,playbooks...just these 3 things) for ALL the players or we have to wait the next update to have them completed.

Thaks

Anonymous said...

Only thing wrong with Thomas is his AWR ratings...Thats it...

2K Sports (Original Guy) said...

can you please say yes to my friend request

Town Knave said...

Hey Rashidi,

I was thinking once the PC roster editor comes out I'll put out a PC roster using the newest 2k one as a base but with your ratings. This would allow me to have your good ratings and all of the missing players without any injuries.

Would you be OK with this?

There also MIGHT be a way to package this so it could work on the 360, which would give you a new injury-free base roster to work with, without having to use CAP slots to make missing guys or having Marbury/Iverson still lurking around the FA pool. Interested?

Also what is your methodology for SIT? I had figured out the stats you use for most ratings (mainly the obvious ones), but what do you use for SIT? And-1 is obviously a factor, but is there anything else? Initially I thought it was just Foul Draw %, but that doesn't seem quite right because then a guy like Kevin Martin or Danilo Gallinari would have high SIT.

On the other hand, if Tyson Chandler is 99 with 7.5% and-1, and there are several players with higher rates for that just this season, isn't the ceiling of the scale a bit low?

Dillon said...

So, is there any way you can justify Dallas' overall rating being so low? They are easily one of the top teams in tge league have a great record despite playing a tough schedule, one of the best defenses in the league, and have beaten the only 2 teams that have better record than them.

themove said...

I want to use these rosters and although I don't agree with the sod, and sit and how you did it, I do agree with alot of bigs having better handles.

The thing accually stoping me from using these is the jacked up 3pt ratings. You use the old broken formula that 2k used a few years ago. They are just to jacked up for me. It doesn't make sense to have most players with higher 3pt ratings than FG ratings.

Now the 2k insider is lazy and needs to edit a ton of players but when he does edit a player he does the 3pt rating perfect.

Again my problem with you is your ratings are 100% based on stats and 0% common sense. For example a player can play with a badly sprained wrist for 15 games and shoots 3s at a low percent than when hes healthy he is one of the best 3pt shooters in the NBA but his rating won't reflect that bc you will factor his rating with the sprained wrist and when healthy.

Anyway point made. Alot of players are just way to jacked up.

themove said...

Im sorry but the NBA season is way to early to be going by %s especially with players that couldn't shoot 3s and this year are at a high %. Same goes for players that have been top 3pt shooters in the NBA for years who are having a rough start to the season.

Your supose to bump 3pt rating up alittle or down alittle using common sense. Again im just pointing out what I and some others see as flaws in your rosters.

themove said...

When a player is rated in the 60s for FG rating and you have a 88 or around there for 3pt rating shouldn't that be a red flag. Theres only a few players I can think of ever in the NBA that could shoot 3s at a high % and not hit a FG and thats the retired Bruce Bowen.

I don't see how most your players have higher 3pt ratings than FG ratings.

Unless you bump 3pt sliders lower than FG sliders it doesn't even make sense to shoot a 15ft mid range jumper instead of a three the way you rate most players.

Take Wade for example with a 68 mid range, and 77 3pt rating. Why would you even shoot mid range jumpers with Wade when he will shoot the three at a much higher %?

themove said...

Again don't get me wrong I think I decided to use your rosters for my season but Im gonna have to put in the 2ks 3pt ratings tomorrow and just a feel touch ups like getting tyrus Thomas rated a little lower and so on. I do choose your rosters over 2ks because I figure it will take less work to get more accurate.

Rashidi said...

Im sorry but the NBA season is way to early to be going by %s especially with players that couldn't shoot 3s and this year are at a high %.


Are you really going to deny Josh Smith has improved his 3pt stroke?

2008: 25-99 (.253) in 81 gms
2009: 26-87 (.299) in 69 gms
2010: 0-7 (.000) in 81 gms
2011: 22-50 (.440) through 30 games.

He's not rated in the 80s. He's rated 78. His previous season highs were 38 threes made (2007) and .309 percentage (2006), both of which he will EASILY eclipse this season.

Unless you think he will go 15-100 over the rest of the year.

TGballin said...

yo rashidi,

obviously we all have some free time coming up.

any teams youd like me to test and post results?

P.S - Melo discussion to be continued. ; )

Anonymous said...

things that caught my eye

1. Damien Wilkens a 69? this guy cant couldnt even make it in the grizzlies and timberwolves

2. How is Matt Barnes higher than Artest?

3. Lakers' PGs 65 & 66?

4. and now that I read the complaints Tyrus Thomas 82 rating

themove said...

Rashidi do you really think Josh Smith is a better 3pt shooter than Joe Johnson? I would Bet joe Johnson can hit more threes than Josh Smith can hit free throws.

Josh Smith should be rated a 73 for 3pt shot common sense will tell you that.

ATL's own said...

Joe Johnson just had Elbow Surgery 2-3 weeks ago, he's back on the court & has struggled to find his shot.

Latest article in the paper here in the ATL today states that JJ still has trouble extending his arm.

tonight however he shot 3-6 from 3pt, look for JJ to be more consistent in the next couple of weeks

I have no problem with his 71 3pt rating as of now b/c i know in due time he will shoot a better than he has now.

Josh Smith has been money this year from 3, I know because I watch all the hawks games. he's shooting 44% from downtown. He's not going to take u off the dribble and chuck one up, but he's been spotting up & playing SF more this year than before which gives him more chances to shoot from the perimeter.

we're a 1/3 way into the season and theres still room for these players to rise or fall closer to their career averages, but as of NOW & at this point of the season, I think these ratings are justified.

Rashidi said...

When Johnson shows he can hit the three again, he goes up. Not a difficult adjustment to make. JJ's poor shooting is a major reason why the Hawks have struggled despite Smith and Horford's improvement.

Rashidi said...

1. Damien Wilkens a 69? this guy cant couldnt even make it in the grizzlies and timberwolves

Wilkins will probably go down the next time I check him. He played reasonably well last season, posting his best rebound and defensive numbers to date (as well as his best shooting numbers since 2007). 140 minutes isn't quite enough for me to judge him since there are still some similarities from last season, plus some rust is to be expected since he just joined the team.

He is definitely a better player than Maurice Evans right now, who has been really, really bad this year.

Suggested changes for now
68 Overall (-1)
42 Pass (-5)
51 OffAwr (-3)
45 Consistency (-5)

Rashidi said...

2. How is Matt Barnes higher than Artest?

Artest is having his worst season ever, while Barnes is quietly having his best season.

Artest
10.9 PER (career low)
46.1 TS% (career low)
5.5 ORB%
6.6 DRB% (career low)
9.1 AST% (career low)
3.0 STL%
1.1 BLK%
8.8 TO% (career low)
14.7 USG% (career low)

Artest himself has mused that he is lost in the triangle and just standing around on the 3pt line. His offensive value at this point is completely negligible at this point - he has entered the realm of full-fledged defensive stopper. He'll need to do better than 39% from the field and 32% from three if he doesn't want to end up as a backup, because Barnes is flat outplaying him.

Barnes
16.2 PER (career high)
58.4 TS% (career high)
9.6 ORB% (career high)
16.9 DRB%
12.8 AST%
2.0 STL%
1.5 BLK%
16.8 TO%
17.5 USG%

Barnes does not look lost on offense. He is posting his best 3pt numbers since his Warriors days (notably better than Artest right now), and has always been a much better finisher at the rim than Artest as well. Not to mention a better rebounder.

The only thing Artest really has going for him at this point is his defense, which is better than Barnes' but obviously not enough to make up for the deficiencies in other areas. Barnes is all-around the better player even though he's coming off the bench.

Rashidi said...

3. Lakers' PGs 65 & 66?

Forget that the triangle diminishes the value of PGs and relegates them to 3pt specialists - these guys aren't much beyond that anyway.

Take away Blake's 2009 season and his career is awfully uninspiring. At this point 2009 looks very much like the exception and not the rule. He is a weak defender, can't drive, and his ability to run a team is average for an NBA PG. He is pretty much Chris Duhon with worse defense and a better jumpshot.

Steve Blake
9.0 PER (career low)
56.4 TS% (career high)
1.5 ORB%
10.8 DRB% (career high)
14.8 AST% (career low)
1.2 STL%
0.0 BLK%
20.2 TO%
12.8 USG% (career low)

As stated, becoming a Laker has turned Blake into a 3pt specialist which is why he's posting lows in AST and USG as well as high's in 3pt shooting (hitting 45% right now) since more of his shots are spot ups now. It is worth noting though that he is shooting only 8-36 on 2pters, which exemplifies how one-dimensional he is on offense.

What's concerning however is that his turnover rate has never been higher (aside from rookie season) even though he is handling the ball less than ever. Blake has 5 games already with 3 or more turnovers even though he only plays about 20 minutes per game. By comparison Blake had only 13 such games in 2009 even though he averaged 32 minutes.

I haven't seen enough of Blake to know the exact reason for this, but 82games lists 29 turnovers as of 12/15, 20 of them bad passes and 9 of them ball handling. Blake has a 2.5 assist to bad pass ratio which is extremely poor for ANY player, much less a point guard (even if that PG is merely a shooting specialist). So his passing has definitely suffered as a Laker. Whether it's because of his role, adjusting to his teammates, or some other reason is not yet known to me.

Rashidi said...

By the way, it is definitely worth noting that the Lakers are only 21-8. They have had the easiest schedule in the league by far so far this season.

They have yet to play the Spurs, Mavericks, Thunder, Celtics, Magic, or Heat, while they lost to the Jazz and Nuggets. They have been feasting on weak teams in both conferences, having already played two games against the Raptors, Bucks, Wizards, Pacers, Sixers, Warriors, Wolves, Rockets, and Kings. They are 14-4 in these games, which means they are only 7-4 against everyone else... bearing in mind that they haven't faced ANY elite teams yet.

They are not the class of the league like some analysts would have you believe, and a big reason why has been the struggles of guys like Artest, Fisher, and Blake. LA is essentially playing 3 on 5 half the game.

Rashidi said...

4. and now that I read the complaints Tyrus Thomas 82 rating

I'm excited to see how Paul Silas will use him. It couldn't possibly be any worse than Larry Brown. He somehow used him even less than last year despite his improvements and injuries to key players like Crash.

Brown has nobody to blame but himself for the team's record. I still can't get starting Dominic McGuire and PLAYING HIM 40 MINUTES out of my mind. Like Tyrus Thomas wouldn't be able to hold Marvin Williams.

themove said...

After testing these rosters out all nite and mourning they are not good. I bit my tongue on the Sit and sod ratings and gave it a chance and I am proven right in what I thought.

Shoot in traffic is not how many hits and bumps you get in the post like Rashidi thinks. Its not even a stat for big man period. SiT is for how a slasher manovers the ball when driving in traffic.

I don't care what Rashidi says he is a complete bone head and a moron. I tested players that he has 99 or high SiT like Chandler and Perkins and a bunch more. With high SiT they move the ball left and right and around and make acrobatic shots.

SiT is for players that drive and take it to the hole and make alot of tough shots in traffic. Tyson Chandler was weaving in the paint and throwing up crazy ass shots like he was Lebron or Wade the way rashidi rates them.

Rashidi rosters are bad. He completelty messed up the SiT and SoT attributes for every player. Everyones 3 is jacked up. Everybody in his rosters shoots the 3 better than a mid range jumper.

Got players like Tyrus Thomas rated a 82 overall. Josh Smith and many others like Ilgauskas have a higher 3pt rating than Joe Johnson. Rondo has a higher fg rating than Brandon Jennings and Wade.

I can live with everything else but the Sit, and SoT make the rosters unuseable.

Rashidi said...

SiT is for players that drive and take it to the hole and make alot of tough shots in traffic. Tyson Chandler was weaving in the paint and throwing up crazy ass shots like he was Lebron or Wade the way rashidi rates them.

Sorry brah but you're gonna need some gameplay video to back that up.

I'm currently using the Mavs against the Mavs on All-Star difficulty, only taking shots with Chandler.

Through the 1st quarter, Chandler is 12-20 from the field and I've drawn four fouls (1x And 1). He has missed just about every "acrobatic" shot that he has taken. The only consistent form of offense he gets is spamming lead pass dunks. Even when he's on fire he will not hit "acrobatic" shots. I can very easily make a "highlight" video out of this, so you're gonna need to backup your claims if you really want them to stand any ground.

Rashidi said...

And by consistent form of offense, I mean 9 of those made shots were lead pass dunk/layups. Half the time I even tried to take a contested shot he would fumble the ball and turn it over. So please stop making things up just because you don't like me.

Whitstatman said...

Lakers are looking pretty bad at moment. Gasol is being overused as of now, averaging 38.5 MPG, which is 2nd highest of his career (highest is 2005-2006, when he was the obvious #1 option in the Grizzlies offense). This offense isn't made for Gasol to be main option. Often times the offense is just sitting around and watching Kobe, as many players (Ahem, Ron Artest) are not understanding the triangle. They also had injury problems with Andrew Bynum, and it will take some time to integrate him into the offense.

They haven't faced elite teams, as Rashidi said, and right now I'm doubting that they will even make the top 3 seeds in the West.

Rashidi said...

If anything they are very fortunate their schedule was so easy while Andrew Bynum was out. It would seem the Lakers are a much better defensive team when Gasol is at PF and not C.

The question now is whether Bynum can improve the situation, or will he be a bench player going forward due to his knees.

stop! said...

themove - you are a complete fool.

why do you spend so much time on this site if you don't think the rosters are any good? get a life.

if you don't like how a complete stranger has chosen to deal with the SIT and SOD rating, CHANGE THEM YOURSELF. if you don't like Randolph or Thomas' ratings, CHANGE THEM YOURSELF. if you think the 3PT ratings are too high, CHANGE THEM YOURSELF.

2K Sports (Original Guy) said...

everbody i will upload another roster after the ORLANDO game at eight on tnt

2K Sports (Original Guy) said...

i will keep you up to date with all the nba trades player edits and more

Anonymous said...

I was curious to see Gary Neal's rating but you left him out. I'm a Pc player so I can't check it in game. :/

Lunatic Wolf said...

^ If it isn't listed, it means he hasn't edited their rating yet.

2K Sports (Original Guy) said...

i will post the roster right now

Rashidi said...

Next roster update is ready but the 2K Sports server is down. I'll upload in the morning before I leave for work.

Anonymous said...

Hey, JW...do you edit accessories and shows in your roster?

Anonymous said...

Hey, JW...do you do accessoris and **SHOES** in your roster?

2K Sports (Original Guy) said...

i will try to post the roster today because my 2k connection is down

Rashidi said...

Some accessories Chris, but not shoes. That might change when I catch up to where I want to be.

There are 67 players I haven't edited yet, but only about 40 that I consider a priority.

2K Sports (Original Guy) said...

i will upload a roster every week

Rashidi said...

Just uploaded the roster
The Real NBA 2K11 [12-24-10]

2K Sports (Original Guy) said...

rashidi wat is wrong with your edits , LeBron James does not where a blk sleeve or L/R Wrist Band-2ND Team DBL Rubberband these r da real lebron james accessories

R Arm Bans-None
L/R Wrist Band-Blk Rubberband

fix your player accessories

2K Sports (Original Guy) said...

Rashidi i would love to help you in your player accessories because alot the players accessories r wrong

Rashidi said...

TGBallin your comment showed up as spam, and I marked it as "not spam" but it disappeared. I don't remember what it said, something about Melo.

Rashidi said...

Updated the post to reflect roster changes, also added Injury section.

Anonymous said...

Omer Asik should see an increase in his dunk ability as well as standing dunk. The majority of his field goals are dunks and he ranks 12th in dunk frequency, ahead of high fliers such as Tyrus Thomas, Dwight Howard and Andre Iguodala.
I'm not calling for Asik to be rated in the high 70's on dunk, but a mid to high 80 in standing dunk seems appropriate.

Anonymous said...

One more thing regarding Asik (I actually am starting to think you may just have not gotten to him yet), his block rating in the game stands at 57, but he has a 4.5 BLK%.
Compare this to teammate Taj Gibson, with a block rating of 81 and a BLK% of 4.4.

Rashidi said...

Asik's production fluctuates quite a bit due to the nature of his role (only 12 mpg).

A quick look at his last 4 games are all one needs to know about where the block spike came from.

1 block in 10 mins
1 block in 22 mins
2 blocks in 20 mins
2 blocks in 6 mins
Total: 6 blocks in 58 minutes

That contrasts very much from the previous 7 games where he only recorded 1 block in 58 minutes.

Rashidi said...

Omer Asik
63 Overall (+1)
70 Standing Dunk (+5)
77 Block (+20)

Rashidi said...

Beat that response time 2K Insider.

Anonymous said...

Thanks as always Rashidi for your update!

I would ask you if you have still some teams untouched or just a bunch of players in 6-7 teams.

Rashidi said...

It's a couple players on a couple teams.

Top players not yet edited
PG: Sebastian Telfair, Ishmael Smith, Eugene Jeter
SG: Corey Brewer, Tony Allen, Gary Neal
SF: Josh Howard, Al Thornton, Damion James
PF: Troy Murphy, Derrick Favors, Jordan Hill
C: Jeff Foster, Nikola Pekovic, Kosta Koufos

Rashidi said...

The LEAST edited team right now is probably the Wolves. I'm missing 8 of their 15 players.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Rashidi.
And of course Merry Chistmas to you!

Do you think that tomorrow or the 27th your roster will be completed(I mean ratings and tendencies,no hotpsots or cosmetics)???

Anonymous said...

Rashidi can you make a complete rotation with Noah in the Bulls starting five?
PG_Rose 37
SG_Bogans 15
SF_Deng 37
PF_Boozer 37
C_Noah 35
Brewer 23
Korver 21
Gibson 19
Watson 11
Asik 5
Thomas 0
Scalabrine 0

Is it correct?

TGballin said...

I just said I'm bout to run a couple games any teams to use in particular for feedback?

and that we could pick up the Melo conversation back up later date when the actual story warms.

I played tonights gm Heat lakers
the game was back and forth with La in control all 4 qtrs, i finally came back and tied it up.
(Pau had foul trouble.)

like 2-3 secs left they called timeout. i knew it was kobe time and yet the black mamba hit a 3 to win the game and they only needed 2
Great gm.

the ONLY gripe i had was some of pau's mid range shots seemed rushed (coulda been low shot clock) and A.Bynum shot about 3 full mid range shots.

2K Sports (Original Guy) said...

PI had downloaded your roster and I saw Omer Asik as jersey number at 34 it's suppose to be 3

2K Sports (Original Guy) said...

I'm sorry I made a mistake above

Anonymous said...

Tis roster is awesome i wonder if anyon plans to add the seanbarkley edit

Anonymous said...

Is there any chance we could have a non-injured roster?

Anonymous said...

rashidi think some players of SaC KINGS are overrated; tyreke evans, omri casspi
Pooh Jeter is a player has been released on many european teams, Antoine wright waived...
And tiago splitter is more underrated is is not better rebounder than VArejaoo but more better post scoring player

Anonymous said...

Why is mike miller not available for online play yet?

Swank said...

Your Lance Stephenson contract is incorrect.

Sam said...

the wrong body shapes make this roster less appealing. Like Kevin Durant being the next thick body type after the skinny one.

Not trying to rant, just giving consrtuctive criticism

ATL's own said...

even though Durant & Bosh have the wrong body shapes, this roster is still one of the better ones out there

but these are easy fixes though

what I do is I raise Durant's height to 6'10 & lower his weight to 215

for Bosh lower his weight to 219

I also increase Chuck Hayes weight to get him a bigger body shape

Maybe this will help

5'8" or less 145 - 169 = thin, 170 - 244 = medium, 245 & up = thick


5'9" - 6'9" 145 to 194 = thin, 195 - 269 = medium, 270 & up = thick


6'10" - 7'0" 145 - 219 = thin, 220 - 294 = medium, 295 & up = thick


7'1" & up 145 - 244 = thin, 245 - 294 = medium, 295 & up = thick

Rashidi said...

rashidi think some players of SaC KINGS are overrated; tyreke evans, omri casspi
Pooh Jeter is a player has been released on many european teams, Antoine wright waived...
And tiago splitter is more underrated is is not better rebounder than VArejaoo but more better post scoring player


I can't believe that I missed Antoine Wright getting waived. I was wondering why he wasn't getting any PT. Totally under the radar, and it went a month without being corrected by anyone, which shows how under the radar it was... is he still on 2K's roster?

Tyreke is playing very poorly due to his foot injury. He has many intangibles unrelated to his injury that boost him up, like his ball handling for instance, that make him difficult to lower substantially. I've already lowered his shot ratings quite a bit, and the rest of his game is fine, so there's not really much I can do there aside from lower them some more.

Jeter is playing great for the Kings right now but it's worth noting I only have him at 62 overall right now and haven't properly edited him yet. I cannot vouch for the PS3 version however.

Casspi is playing at the same level he played at last year. I'll take a deeper look at the Kings soon.

Rashidi said...

the wrong body shapes make this roster less appealing. Like Kevin Durant being the next thick body type after the skinny one.

Not trying to rant, just giving constructive criticism



Appreciated, however my stance on video games has always been gameplay > graphics. There's a reason Tetris has stood the test of time. If people can play NCAA games with generic players the majority can surely get through w/ the player models. In fact, all the player models are too big which is why there are so many problems with spacing in this game.

Rashidi said...

What's actually funny about the Wright thing is I know his Jersey groupie; you'd think I would have heard something.

Then again I guess he doesn't have the money to take her out now lol

Rashidi said...

Also due to the Kings team rating and their status as the worst team in basketball I have been looking to drop them. They are just usually very low on my priorities list as they are one of the least requested teams (and frankly, not very interesting to edit).

Unfortunately, it seems like 2K feels the same way because their Kings ratings have been terrible for YEARS. I hate having to give them a total overhaul every season. At least I get around to it more than once every 2000 days.

Anonymous said...

thanks for the KINGS' explanation RASHIDI!!
I do not look any 2k roster, only REAL 2K INSIDER

Caveman said...

Raptors signed Ronald Dupree.

POWER SHIFT

Caveman said...

The weather is so bad in New York, why would any free agent want to play for the Knicks?

/madrapsfan

Lunatic Wolf said...

I'd rather have the players with the correct weight and height, as those are all factors in how the player plays.

deadserious said...

When will these be ready for PS3? pretty interested in trying out these rosters because I was tired of playing the Cavs in association and having them go iso post up all the time with Varejao...please tell me that does not happen in real life?!

Anonymous said...

Does the listed weight of the player make a difference in the gameplay of 2k11????

Caveman said...

I don't think the weight matters in how a player plays unless you're talking 50+ pounds or 5+ inches. A player like Shaq can't get around a screen like Russell Westbrook because of the canimations but I think that's the only real difference. Play style and position might have more effect than 20 pounds and an inch will.

Caveman said...

Anyway, I think if you lower a player's height/weight real low and then bring it back up you'll get the body shape more correct. I'm without my XBox ATM, so if someone can test that out... I'm sure you can get the body sizes correct somehow regardless.

ATL's own said...

Caveman

that only works on some players, once u hit a certain weight on a height, the body type will automatically change.

hence why I have a 6'11 219 lbs Chris Bosh & a 6'10 219 lbs Kevin Durant

I tried to get Rudy Gay adjusted but will not work unless I have his weight all the way down to 194 lbs, so I just passed on it.

Goorack said...

Is there any possibility to download a .ros file for x360?

Lunatic Wolf said...

20lbs and 1 in is a big deal, especially in the post.

ATL's own said...

weight makes a difference in Real life, but as far as 2k11 I'm not sure if the actual weight listed of the player makes a difference as far as how the player plays.

I believe 2k uses the low post offense/defense attribute and/or strength attribute for that.

Height on the other hand, DOES make a difference.

Anonymous said...

Derrick Rose is leading all PGs in rebounding and blocked shots.

2K Sports (Original Guy) said...

i will upload the roster tommorow

Rashidi said...

Chris Paul averages as many rebounds as Rose (4.5) in 3.2 fewer minutes.

DavonBrown said...

When can we expect the next update?

Anonymous said...

Question, do you use custom sliders, or default? http://www.operationsports.com/forums/nba-2k-sliders/449685-puntnls-nba-2k11-slider-tweaks-use-real-2k-insider-roster.html has sliders that he believes works amazingly well with your rosters, and I must agree with him. I just want the game as sim as possible, and I believe you want the same, with you being the ratings guru and all.

Anonymous said...

rashidi can edit milwaukee bucks rotation without injuries? who start at PF, Gooden or Ilyasova? delfino starting? Sanders play minutes?

2K Sports (Original Guy) said...

everybody what do think kobe's emotion should be from 60-99

Anonymous said...

I know this is a minor sticking point, but Omer Asik's number has been wrong since the beginning of the season. He is #3.

2K Sports (Original Guy) said...

thanks ^

chad said...

lol ^

Anonymous said...

Why ask for Bucks changes if you know nothing about the Bucks? Delfino is gonna have to retire from injury. Delfinos career is over.

Don Domeng said...

can't download the roster atm...

"sorry, but the selected files couldn't be downloaded right now. Please try again later."

shucks!

elimack said...

I just began to follow your work and though I appreciate the time and effort placed into your research and application. I would have to agree with individual like Anonymous and themove, when it comes to generating a players rating based solely on stats there will be inconsistency's. Given the fact you can't factor in shot types (meaning good shots, open/contested, fade/leaner, etc...). Most noted discussions Thomas vs Kobe and Johnson vs Smith. In the case of Kobe/Thomas, you have a player who's the main focus of a team defense, meaning he will see an average of 2 defenders on any given play, cause his shots to be contested 90+ per. of the time. This coupled with the fact Thomas is never a focus for a defense leads to his slips to open areas of the court (areas created by coach to fit the players at this pos. skill set) so I do agree Ty can hit the open mid-range J which he has since LSU, however at the same rate of a Kobe? Even when contested Kobe has a better mid-range game, it's the D which plays the key role in per. With these players having similar rating in the mid-range, when standing still contested or not Ty would be able to hit at a similar percent as a Kobe, which isn't realistic by any stretch. As far as Smith and the 3, his per. is up b/c the type of 3 he's been taking, he would in years past take quick 3 from the top/top wings and 3's off the dribble, whereas now with maturity and coaching he's began more efficient due to better shot selection. He finds a lot more open corner 3's (easier to make due to shorter distance) after penetration as opposed to Johnson who takes pull up 3's in transition/in the half court set court. A much tougher shot, but empty the gym and let them shoot it out Ala Arenas and Stevenson a few yrs. back in Washington (you tube it). Johnson would win 90% of the time. Thus in game situation you would rather Joe shoot the 3, ask any NBA head coach this question and I'm sure they'd prefer Smith, whether he's shooting it at a better percent or not. These are thing that make it hard to accurately judge players on the number rating system. This is a bit long, just thought I'd weigh in to what I think is a relevant and interesting debate or differing of opinions

elimack said...

I just began to follow your work and though I appreciate the time and effort placed into your research and application. I would have to agree with individual like Anonymous and themove, when it comes to generating a players rating based solely on stats there will be inconsistency's. Given the fact you can't factor in shot types (meaning good shots, open/contested, fade/leaner, etc...). Most noted discussions Thomas vs Kobe and Johnson vs Smith.

elimack said...

In the case of Kobe/Thomas, you have a player who's the main focus of a team defense, meaning he will see an average of 2 defenders on any given play, cause his shots to be contested 90+ per. of the time. This coupled with the fact Thomas is never a focus for a defense leads to his slips to open areas of the court (areas created by coach to fit the players at this pos. skill set) so I do agree Ty can hit the open mid-range J which he has since LSU, however at the same rate of a Kobe? Even when contested Kobe has a better mid-range game, it's the D which plays the key role in per. With these players having similar rating in the mid-range, when standing still contested or not Ty would be able to hit at a similar percent as a Kobe, which isn't realistic by any stretch.

elimack said...

As far as Smith and the 3, his per. is up b/c the type of 3 he's been taking, he would in years past take quick 3 from the top/top wings and 3's off the dribble, whereas now with maturity and coaching he's began more efficient due to better shot selection. He finds a lot more open corner 3's (easier to make due to shorter distance) after penetration as opposed to Johnson who takes pull up 3's in transition/in the half court set court. A much tougher shot, but empty the gym and let them shoot it out Ala Arenas and Stevenson a few yrs. back in Washington (you tube it). Johnson would win 90% of the time. Thus in game situation you would rather Joe shoot the 3, ask any NBA head coach this question and I'm sure they'd prefer Smith, whether he's shooting it at a better percent or not. These are thing that make it hard to accurately judge players on the number rating system. This is a bit long, just thought I'd weigh in to what I think is a relevant and interesting debate or differing of opinions

chad said...

Your points are valid, but they would only really apply to a game mode in which you have players shooting jumpers in an empty gym. The goal of the roster is to create games in which players act as similar to their real life counterparts as possible. For example, like you say, JJ is considered by most to be a better 3-point shooter than Josh Smith, but he takes many pull-up 3's in transition and makes them at a lower clip than Josh makes his wide open looks. These results are reflected in Rashidi's rosters.

CelphProclaimed said...

Rashidi how do you calculate/what forumlas do you use to determine your Roster's if you don't mind me asking?

Rashidi said...

Dear Elimack,

Shoot Off Dribble
76 Kobe Bryant
73 Joe Johnson
50 Josh Smith
48 Tyrus Thomas

Really not a difficult concept.

Rashidi said...

76 Shoot Off Dribble
94 Ball Handling
87 Ball Security
86 Post Offense
99 Hands
99 Offensive Awareness
90 Clutch Offense
90 Consistency
88 Speed
91 Quickness

If anyone actually thinks Tyrus Thomas will perform the same way Kobe does from mid-range in this game... ROFL

Rashidi said...

Nevermind that Kobe is rated 88 from Close range which is where the majority of his mid-range shots come from.

Forget about the great disparity in their post games too while you're at it.

Rashidi said...

Kobe per 40 mins
At Rim: 2.8 of 4.5 (61.3%)
<10 Ft: 2.1 of 4.1 (50.9%)
10-15 Ft: 1.5 of 3.5 (42.9%)
16-23 Ft: 2.5 of 6.4 (39.0%)
Threes: 1.7 of 5.3 (48.6 eFG%)

Tyrus per 40 mins
At Rim: 3.7 of 5.5 (67.6%)
<10 Ft: 1.0 of 3.1 (33.3%)
10-15 Ft: 0.8 of 2.3 (35.5%)
16-23 Ft: 2.5 of 4.9 (51.0%)
Threes: 0.0 of 0.1 (0%)

Kobe is making 3.6 of 7.6 from Close range (<10 ft & 10-15 Ft). You know, those shots that are much more contested than "mid-range 16-23 ft shots) Tyrus is making 1.8 of 5.4.


Kobe <10 Feet (per 40 mins)
2007: 0.7 of 1.5 (47%)
2008: 0.8 of 1.5 (55%)
2009: 1.1 of 2.4 (47%)
2010: 1.1 of 2.4 (46.2%)
2011: 2.1 of 4.1 (50.9%)

Short jumpers & Post game =/= Mid-range shots

Rashidi said...

But then, I don't even know why I'm bothering to go into detail

PLAYER A
85 Inside
88 Close
81 Mid
78 3pt
76 SOD
94 Handle
87 Security


PLAYER B
77 Inside
72 Close
80 Mid
51 3pt
48 SOD
58 Handle
37 Security


Not only is Player A the vastly better scorer but also the superior shot creator.

Rashidi said...

Oops, almost forgot

Player A
86 Post Offense

Player B
57 Post Offense

Anonymous said...

Hey Rashidi, do you play the game using some form of custom sliders? If so, could you tell us what they are? On operation sports there's a set by puntnl that works really well with your rosters. With you being the 2k guru and all, I figured you'd know some great sliders to complement your rosters, or even if it's best on default!

Anonymous said...

Hey man are you gonna post an update in regards to 2k's recent update? Keep up the good work!

Anonymous said...

why cant you play your rosters on the upper levels like last year?

to easy on all star

completely stupid on higher difficulties.

im curious do you verse the cpu? have you tested how progressive fatigue and injuries play out?

i play 10 mins and cpu is all sets plays, catch and shoots. not alot of freelancing.

not enough cpu ft's.
cpu doesnt attack enough.
force me to foul u cpu

Anonymous said...

Yeah I guess the previous poster is asking the same thing I am, do you use any custom sliders?

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/nba-2k-sliders/449685-puntnls-nba-2k11-slider-tweaks-use-real-2k-insider-roster.html

is a good set for all who don't have any, but Rashidi, could you please tell us your set?

Anonymous said...

This is his slider set on his website:


GAME SETTINGS
Difficulty: All-Star
Quarters: 12 Minutes
Game Speed: Normal

SLIDER CHANGES
15 Dunk In Traffic success
15 Contact Shot success
55 Driving Contact Frequency
55 Inside Contact Frequency

Anonymous said...

if you cant win with rashidi's roster on higher difficulties, you need to get your skills up.

Anonymous said...

No one said they couldn't. I just asked if he used any customs.

Anonymous said...

[I]This is his slider set on his website:


GAME SETTINGS
Difficulty: All-Star
Quarters: 12 Minutes
Game Speed: Normal

SLIDER CHANGES
15 Dunk In Traffic success
15 Contact Shot success
55 Driving Contact Frequency
55 Inside Contact Frequency [/I]

Thank youvery much. One more question, is this with default gamestyle besides these changes, or is it the changes, but under "simulation" gamestyle?

Anonymous said...

^^^It is for custom because default and simulation does not allow you to change the sliders.

Rashidi said...

In the future please refrain from linking to Operation Sports since I was banned for linking there (which means I can't read the post anyway). Just copy & paste the applicable information into the comment box.

Rashidi said...

Also to use HTML it has to be with <> instead of []

Rashidi said...

If someone could link me to the editor that'd be great. To be honest I've been busy at work this week and next week will be no different, so no promises on when I'll actually get a chance to use it.

Rashidi said...

I do intend on posting a new update sometime soon. I'm almost to the point where I could be doing daily updates.

Anonymous said...

to the person saying "get your skills up" when playing rashidi's roster on higher levels.
can do but u have to cheat like the cpu.
the cpu is faster on the break which is 2k's fault.
faster to everything all star and up.

im saying to get a fair sim game you have to play all star.

Anonymous said...

^^^It is for custom because default and simulation does not allow you to change the sliders.

True true, but when you edit one of the sliders, no matter the setting it'll switch to custom, so I just wanted to know if he used default as the base, or simulation as the base.

Anonymous said...

As most who follow this thread probably know I want to adjust as less sliders as possible and with the use of this roster I hope to have even less adjustments from the default gamestyle.
This post will be used for the slider set (tweaks) specially cut for Rashidi's roster.

Of course the goal remains to get an enjoyable and realistic game of basketball (with as realistic as possible stats) and to do so with adjusting as less sliders as possible.


Gameplay
Difficulty: Pro
Game Style: Custom (start with default as a base for adjusting the sliders mentioned below)
Game Speed: 50
Quarter Length: 12 minutes
Fatigue: On
Injuries: On
Clutch factor: On
Shooting type: Real player %
FT Shooting type: Real player %
FT difficulty: 50

Select default gamestyle and than adjust the sliders mentioned below, so everything else remains on 50. If only one value is stated this value applies to both user and cpu, if two values are stated the 1st value is for the user and the 2nd for the cpu.

Between the (brackets) some adjustments if the standard set is not challenging enough


Offense
Inside Shot: 48 (48/49)
Close Shot: 50 (50/51)
Mid Range: 51 (51/52)
3 Pt: 53
Dunks in traffic: 42
Pass accuracy: 48
Contact shot: 45

Defense
Driving contact shot freq: 82
Inside contact shot freq: 85
Help defense: 70
Steal success: 47

Attributes
Hustle: 60
On-ball Defense: 58 (58/63)
Offensive Rebounding: 60
Defensive Rebounding: 40
Clutch Factor: 35
Fatigue Rate: 46

Tendencies
Attack the Basket: 60
Look for post player: 80
Attempt Putbacks: 60
Commit Fouls: 80
Playing Passing Lanes: 42

Fouls
Over the back: 100
Charging: 100
Blocking: 100
Reaching: 80
Shooting: 63
Loose Ball: 100

Anonymous said...

Also, I just want to say THANK YOU Rashidi. Clearly you are far superior to the 2K Insider. I and everyone else are very appreciative for your efforts in fixing 2K's mess. Don't work too hard, kick back, relax, grab a beer and actually enjoy the game lol. Hopefully 2K hires you soon, as you've proven to be far more competent that them...and they get paid to do this...amazing.

Anonymous said...

True true, but when you edit one of the sliders, no matter the setting it'll switch to custom, so I just wanted to know if he used default as the base, or simulation as the base.

Rashidi uses default as a base because he tried simulation and he said that it is horrible on his website.

Anonymous said...

Cool, thanks man. Could you tell me where his website is?

Rashidi said...

You're looking at it.

Lunatic Wolf said...

REDitor II has been released finally.

http://forums.nba-live.com/viewtopic.php?f=136&t=76092

Is there a specific roster from 2k you want to use as a base? I am pretty sure you can change injury status using REDitor.

Anonymous said...

I thought the update was sometime soon, Rashidi.

Anonymous said...

Hey Rashidi,

Rim shot & <10 feet shot are Inside Shot for nba 2k11.

For close shot, refer to 10-15 feet !

Close shot =/= <10 feet & 10-15 feet imo.

tcclark0 said...

When will the new roster be up?

«Oldest ‹Older   1 – 200 of 307   Newer› Newest»