Tuesday, August 11, 2009

San Antonio Spurs Ratings

SAN ANTONIO SPURS
96 - Tim Duncan (C/PF)
93 - Tony Parker (PG)
91 - Manu Ginobili (SG/SF)
84 - Richard Jefferson (SF/SG)
82 - Antonio McDyess (PF/C)
80 - Roger Mason (SG/PG)
77 - Michael Finley (SF/SG)
76 – Marcus Haislip (PF/C)
74 – George Hill (PG/SG)
72 - Matt Bonner (C/PF)
72 - Theo Ratliff (C)
71 - DeJuan Blair (PF/C)
71 – Malik Hairston (SG/SF)
69 – Ian Mahinmi (C/PF)

KEY CONTRIBUTORS
Inside Scoring: Duncan (A-)
Outside Scoring: Bonner (A-), Mason (B+), Jefferson (B+), Finley (B+), Ginobili (B), Parker (B)
Perimeter Defense: Ginobili (A-), Parker (B+), Hill (B)
Post Defense: Duncan (A+), Ratliff (B+)
Ball Handling: Parker (A+), Ginobili (A-), Hill (B)
Rebounding: Blair (A), McDyess (A), Duncan (A-)
Basketball IQ: Duncan (A+), Parker (A), Ginobili (A-), Jefferson (B+), Mason (B)
Athleticism: Parker (A), Jefferson (A-), Ginobili (B+), Hill (B+), Mason (B), Finley (B)

THE RATINGS

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Tim Duncan (C/PF)
Overall 96 (down from 98)
Close 91
Med 79 (down from 82)
3pt 62
FT 69 (down from 73)
Layup 75
Dunk 67 (down from 75)
Handle 70
Pass 73
PostOff 95
PostDef 98
Block 79 (down from 88)
Steal 58 (down from 61)
RebOff 85 (down from 88)
RebDef 94 (up from 92)
Speed 62 (down from 63)
Stam 95
Dur 85 (up from 80)
DefAwr 97
OffAwr 92
Potential 99
Strength 78 (up from 73)
Vertical 60
Off Dribble 67
In Traffic 83
Quickness 64
Hustle 87
Hands 90
Ball Defense 69
Standing Dunk 75 (down from 99)

Outlook: Duncan has been one of the best bigmen in the league ever since his rookie season, and that won't change any time soon. He is one of the best defensive players of all-time, and remains a great scorer and rebounder even "past" his prime.

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Tony Parker (PG)
Overall 93
Close 93
Med 87
3pt 74
FT 79 (down from 80)
Layup 96
Dunk 59 (up from 50)
Handle 96
Pass 92 (up from 90)
PostOff 67 (down from 70)
PostDef 55
Block 52
Steal 69
RebOff 57 (down from 61)
RebDef 62 (down from 66)
Speed 98
Stam 99
Dur 95
DefAwr 84
OffAwr 96 (up from 95)
Potential 89 (up from 79)
Strength 56
Vertical 84
Off Dribble 80
In Traffic 85
Quickness 98
Hustle 86
Hands 95
Ball Defense 82
Standing Dunk 50

Outlook: One of the best scoring guards in the league thanks to his quickness. All he needs is a better 3pt shot to make him completely unguardable. Unlike other scoring guards, Parker can run the point and get his teammates involved rather effectively as well.

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Manu Ginobili (SG/SF)
Overall 91 (up from 90)
Close 92 (up from 81)
Med 81 (down from 85)
3pt 83 (up from 82)
FT 88 (up from 86)
Layup 95 (up from 92)
Dunk 70 (down from 72)
Handle 91
Pass 76 (down from 79)
PostOff 66 (down from 69)
PostDef 66
Block 57
Steal 87 (up from 82)
RebOff 62 (down from 67)
RebDef 76
Speed 90
Stam 95 (down from 99)
Dur 75
DefAwr 85 (up from 83)
OffAwr 91 (up from 87)
Potential 87
Strength 62
Vertical 82 (down from 87)
Off Dribble 87
In Traffic 83
Quickness 93
Hustle 96
Hands 93
Ball Defense 85
Standing Dunk 50

Outlook: Manu's injury plagued year was the primary reason this was the first season Tim Duncan did not advance beyond the first round. He's by far the best backup in the league when healthy (all-nba 3rd team as a 6th man).

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Richard Jefferson (SF/SG)
Overall 84 (up from 83)
Close 82 (down from 86)
Med 84
3pt 85 (down from 87)
FT 81 (up from 80)
Layup 89 (down from 94)
Dunk 91
Handle 80
Pass 64 (down from 66)
PostOff 74 (down from 77)
PostDef 70 (up from 68)
Block 53
Steal 63
RebOff 60 (down from 64)
RebDef 70 (up from 62)
Speed 87 (up from 86)
Stam 95
Dur 85 (down from 90)
DefAwr 79 (up from 77)
OffAwr 85
Potential 84
Strength 81 (down from 86)
Vertical 90
Off Dribble 82
In Traffic 79
Quickness 87
Hustle 81
Hands 86
Ball Defense 76
Standing Dunk 75

Outlook: Has quietly become a very good scorer, no longer reliant on Jason Kidd to get him his points. Will need to recommit himself to defense in San Antonio, something he should gladly do now that he's back to being a 3rd-4th option rather than a 1st. The fact that the team opted not to bring back defensive specialists Bruce Bowen and Ime Udoka makes Jefferson's defense all the more important, as it could be the determining factor in whether the Spurs are contenders or pretenders.

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Antonio McDyess (PF/C)
Overall 82
Close 83 (up from 81)
Med 86 (up from 83)
3pt 50
FT 67 (up from 62)
Layup 63
Dunk 68
Handle 62
Pass 58 (down from 61)
PostOff 78
PostDef 74
Block 66 (up from 62)
Steal 63 (down from 66)
RebOff 88 (down from 98)
RebDef 93
Speed 61
Stam 85
Dur 80 (up from 75)
DefAwr 74 (up from 72)
OffAwr 68
Potential 84
Strength 76
Vertical 69
Off Dribble 63
In Traffic 75
Quickness 58
Hustle 79
Hands 76
Ball Defense 62
Standing Dunk 75

Outlook: Has fully recovered from mid-career injuries to become a very solid player. Very consistent mid-range jumpshot and excellent rebounding ability make Dyess an ideal replacement for Kurt Thomas. He's capable of starting or coming off the bench. My guess is he comes off the bench in order to stay healthy for the playoffs.

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Roger Mason (SG/PG)
Overall 80 (down from 82)
Close 74 (down from 79)
Med 81 (down from 84)
3pt 89 (down from 90)
FT 88
Layup 84
Dunk 63
Handle 81
Pass 64 (down from 71)
PostOff 58
PostDef 62 (up from 59)
Block 56
Steal 61 (down from 73)
RebOff 54 (down from 68)
RebDef 65 (down from 72)
Speed 84
Stam 95
Dur 85
DefAwr 80
OffAwr 76
Potential 67 (up from 52)
Strength 61 (down from 71)
Vertical 77
Off Dribble 82
In Traffic 69 (down from 72)
Quickness 87
Hustle 88
Hands 86
Ball Defense 81
Standing Dunk 50

Outlook: Mason returned from Europe with a much improved jumpshot. He also can play point in emergency situations, which is good for San Antonio given that they only carry two PGs.

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Michael Finley (SF/SG)
Overall 77 (down from 78)
Close 75
Med 79 (down from 83)
3pt 86 (up from 83)
FT 82 (up from 80)
Layup 77
Dunk 71 (down from 76)
Handle 78 (down from 80)
Pass 60 (down from 65)
PostOff 62 (up from 60)
PostDef 70 (up from 68)
Block 54 (up from 52)
Steal 57 (up from 55)
RebOff 57 (down from 61)
RebDef 69 (down from 71)
Speed 83
Stam 90
Dur 90 (up from 85)
DefAwr 76 (up from 71)
OffAwr 73 (down from 77)
Potential 85
Strength 66
Vertical 83
Off Dribble 82
In Traffic 68
Quickness 80
Hustle 67
Hands 84
Ball Defense 74
Standing Dunk 50

Outlook: An ironman who will seemingly come off the bench for the first time in his career (due to the addition of Richard Jefferson). Finley doesn't bring much besides his 3pt shooting nowadays, but he's still a valuable player to have.

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Marcus Haislip (PF/C)
Overall 76
Close 80
Med 77
3pt 78
FT 82
Layup 73
Dunk 79
Handle 68
Pass 55
PostOff 77
PostDef 73
Block 69
Steal 56
RebOff 70
RebDef 70
Speed 71
Stam 90
Dur 80
DefAwr 65
OffAwr 75
Potential 65
Strength 75
Vertical 85
Off Dribble 70
In Traffic 78
Quickness 70
Hustle 64
Hands 74
Ball Defense 64
Standing Dunk 75

Outlook: Another player who found his game in Europe, and has made his NBA return as a potential bargain for a contender. When we last saw Haislip, he was an athletic PF and a poor rebounder/defensive player. Fast forward a couple years, and he's developed his offensive game from both inside and out (though he still remains just as bad on the glass and defense). He should get a backup role and might even start for the team (hey, if Matt Bonner can, why can't Haislip?)

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George Hill (PG/SG)
Overall 74
Close 77 (up from 75)
Med 72 (down from 80)
3pt 78 (down from 80)
FT 78 (down from 81)
Layup 90
Dunk 66 (up from 64)
Handle 84
Pass 69 (up from 64)
PostOff 54
PostDef 59
Block 61 (up from 51)
Steal 76 (up from 72)
RebOff 61
RebDef 69
Speed 89
Stam 95
Dur 80
DefAwr 76
OffAwr 74 (up from 73)
Potential 67
Strength 64
Vertical 83
Off Dribble 79
In Traffic 68
Quickness 91
Hustle 77
Hands 80
Ball Defense 74
Standing Dunk 50

Outlook: Hill is an athletic scorer not unlike the player he backs up. He needs to continue developing his PG skills.

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Matt Bonner (C/PF)
Overall 72
Close 76
Med 85
3pt 89 (up from 87)
FT 80 (down from 86)
Layup 61
Dunk 61
Handle 60
Pass 59 (down from 60)
PostOff 61
PostDef 67
Block 60
Steal 62 (up from 57)
RebOff 77 (down from 80)
RebDef 80 (down from 83)
Speed 65
Stam 80
Dur 80
DefAwr 63 (up from 58)
OffAwr 72
Potential 58
Strength 69
Vertical 58
Off Dribble 74
In Traffic 70
Quickness 61
Hustle 78
Hands 67
Ball Defense 55
Standing Dunk 50

Outlook: One of the better shooting bigmen in the league, but doesn't bring much else to the table. His post offense and defense are very poor (though Tim Duncan does his best to negate this).

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Theo Ratliff (C/PF)
Overall 72 (down from 74)
Close 61 (down from 77)
Med 59 (down from 63)
3pt 50
FT 65 (down from 67)
Layup 59
Dunk 65 (down from 69)
Handle 50
Pass 52 (down from 59)
PostOff 61 (down from 63)
PostDef 79 (down from 80)
Block 92
Steal 59 (up from 57)
RebOff 82 (down from 84)
RebDef 78 (up from 77)
Speed 56
Stam 70
Dur 65 (down from 70)
DefAwr 80 (up from 79)
OffAwr 50
Potential 74 (down from 77)
Strength 75 (down from 78)
Vertical 61
Off Dribble 55 (down from 60)
In Traffic 72
Quickness 58
Hustle 77
Hands 54
Ball Defense 59
Standing Dunk 75

Outlook: Ratliff is a shot blocking specialist. The Spurs sorely need one as their only shotblocker is Duncan who is slowly declining in this area.

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DeJuan Blair (PF/C)
Overall 71
Close 76
Med 58
3pt 50
FT 61
Layup 58
Dunk 65
Handle 55
Pass 53
PostOff 69
PostDef 75
Block 58
Steal 70
RebOff 95
RebDef 87
Speed 67
Stam 85
Dur 75
DefAwr 64
OffAwr 59
Potential 65
Strength 86
Vertical 55
Off Dribble 55
In Traffic 76
Quickness 64
Hustle 84
Hands 68
Ball Defense 58
Standing Dunk 50

Outlook: Blair is a rebounding specialist in the Reggie Evans and Chuck Hayes mold. As with those players, don't expect much else.

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Malik Hairston (SG/SF)
Overall 71
Close 72
Med 77 (down from 80)
3pt 78
FT 83 (up from 73)
Layup 77
Dunk 72
Handle 77
Pass 64
PostOff 55 (up from 52)
PostDef 63 (down from 66)
Block 59
Steal 68 (up from 53)
RebOff 69 (up from 64)
RebDef 60 (down from 75)
Speed 79
Stam 90
Dur 80
DefAwr 61
OffAwr 68
Potential 54
Strength 69 (down from 79)
Vertical 76
Off Dribble 76
In Traffic 69
Quickness 78
Hustle 70
Hands 78
Ball Defense 67
Standing Dunk 50

Outlook: Hairston is a pretty good scorer at the D-League level. I can't figure out why San Antonio keeps bringing him back though, because you'd think they'd have that covered with Ginobili, Jefferson, Finley, and Mason.

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Ian Mahinmi (C/PF)
Overall 69 (up from 66)
Close 66
Med 58
3pt 50
FT 77 (down from 78)
Layup 62 (up from 54)
Dunk 74 (up from 66)
Handle 57 (up from 50)
Pass 55
PostOff 69
PostDef 68
Block 79 (down from 84)
Steal 72 (up from 52)
RebOff 80 (up from 78)
RebDef 80 (up from 72)
Speed 61
Stam 80
Dur 80
DefAwr 61 (up from 57)
OffAwr 54 (up from 50)
Potential 65
Strength 76 (down from 86)
Vertical 72 (up from 62)
Off Dribble 56
In Traffic 71
Quickness 59
Hustle 77
Hands 61 (up from 51)
Ball Defense 57
Standing Dunk 75

Outlook: Mahinmi has played all of 6 NBA games in his two year career. He's no longer D-League eligible, so he'll need to show something if he wants to stick around a bit longer.

9 comments:

youtubesucksballs said...

Spurs window is closing. They're not the dominant team they once were. So having all 3 of their top players rated 92 and above seems a little too nice.

Rashidi said...

The thing is one of those players missed half of the season including the playoffs (a healthy Ginobili and there's no way the Spurs get knocked out in round 1).

Stamina/Durability isn't factored into overall rating. Over the long haul it's probably better to have a less efficient ironman like Joe Johnson, but there's no denying the impact Ginobili does have when he steps foot on the court.

Eventually his injuries will affect his game, but it hasn't happened yet, as the numbers he put up were consistent with his incredibly underrated production over the last five years.

Rashidi said...

I am in agreement with you btw. I don't think Richard Jefferson alone is enough because their SF defense will be considerably worse without Bowen/Udoka. I remember when they faced Kobe in 2003 and they threw Bowen, Manu, and Stephen Jackson at him. Jefferson, a 32 year old Manu, Roger Mason, and Michael Finley just won't get it done.

youtubesucksballs said...
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youtubesucksballs said...

Yea they woulda probably beat the Mavs if they had Ginobili and add a couple more wins to their regular season total. But I look at the Blazers and Spurs who won the same amount of games with 54 and 28 records with the Blazers winning the season series and with both having the same outcome in the playoffs, and I don't understand how the disparity between the top 3 players of each team is so lopsided.

I just look at those two rosters and think the Spurs would smash, when in reality it would be a lot closer match-up. Sure the Spurs would have probably beat the Mavs if they had Ginobili and they may have had a better overall season then the Blazers if he was healthy but I don't think it would be that overwelming as the ratings suggest.

I just pick the Blazers as a comparison because they had such similiar seasons. The Spurs will probably have a better season this year if everybody stays healthy but its not going to be by that much.

Rashidi said...

Parker and Duncan are better than Boy and Aldridge, but the Blazer boys had a lot more help. Portland was much deeper team than San Antonio. Aside from Duncan and Parker they were littered with sub-80s players.


Matt Bonner and Fabricio Oberto (both 72) were the starting centers, which obviously does not compare to the Blazers duo of Pryzbilla (80) and Oden (81). Blake (80) and Batum (76) stacked up with Mason (80) and Finley (77) but Outlaw (80) coming off Portland's bench was much more valuable than Bowen or Udoka (both 76)

youtubesucksballs said...

I don't agree that Parker's better then Roy but yeah Parker and Duncan are a better duo. I just dont think they are that better as the ratings suggest. Duncan is 10 ratings higher then Aldridge, that's a little extreme to me for a +3 rebounds, +1 block a game advantage at similiar team paces.

Rashidi said...

Duncan is one of the best defensive players in the entire league though. Aldridge simply isn't close in that regard.

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