Wednesday, October 20, 2010

NBA 2K11 Touch Tendency List

I took the time to jot down the controversial "Touches" tendency for all NBA teams in 2K11. Putting them in list format, I have a much clearer vision of what exactly is wrong with them.

SIXERS
Turner 70
Speights 67
Hawes 65
Iguodala 56
Brackins 55
Brand 48
Williams 44
Nocioni 43
Songaila 43
Battie 43
Holiday 37
Young 36
Kapono 33
Quinn 20
Meeks 10

BOBCATS
Jackson 74
Brown 71
Thomas 67
Wallace 65
Livingston 63
Diaw 57
Diop 46
Mohammed 45
McGuire 34
Najera 31
Augustin 26
Brown 25
Henderson 16
Carroll 10

BUCKS
Bogut 81
Maggette 71
Gooden 62
Redd 58
Jennings 49
Dooling 45
Boykins 41
Salmons 40
Skinner 39
Ilyasova 30
Delfino 29
Mbah a Moute 27
Douglas-Roberts 26
Sanders 25
Brockman 19

BULLS
Boozer 89
Rose 51
Deng 49
Noah 46
Gibson 32
Thomas 31
Brewer 30
Johnson 30
Watson 24
Bogans 24
Korver 21
Weaver 10
Lucas 10
Scalabrine 10

CAVALIERS
Jamison 86
Graham 48
Powe 45
M. Wiliams 43
Hollins 40
Varejao 35
Moon 34
Sessions 33
Hickson 29
Parker 23
Gibson 18
J. Williams 13

CELTICS
Garnett 89
S. O'Neal 82
J. O'Neal 74
Pierce 66
Davis 59
Perkins 56
Robinson 50
Rondo 41
Daniels 38
Allen 35
West 30
Bradley 30
Wafer 10

CLIPPERS
Kaman 84
Griffin 70
Davis 67
Smith 53
Foye 46
Bledsoe 45
Gordon 42
Gomes 42
Warren 42
Butler 37
Aminu 36
Jordan 36
Collins 32
Cook 10

GRIZZLIES
Randolph 84
Haddadi 71
Gasol 70
Arthur 64
Gay 59
Young 43
Henry 42
Conley 41
Allen 40
Mayo 39
Vasquez 29
Carroll 22
Thabeet 22
Law 10

HAWKS
Johnson 83
Smith 75
Horford 66
Collins 56
Ja. Crawford 41
Williams 35
Jo. Crawford 33
Powell 33
Thomas 30
Bibby 28
Pachulia 25
Evans 10
Teague 10

HEAT
James 99
Bosh 97
Wade 90
Ilgauskas 62
Magloire 48
Beverley 45
Howard 40
Miller 34
Arroyo 33
Haslem 31
House 31
Chalmers 30
Jones 25
Randolph 20
Anthony 15

HORNETS
West 84
Okafor 55
Gray 54
Paul 50
Pondexter 49
Alexander 42
Smith 40
Ariza 34
Thornton 33
Green 29
Belinelli 29
Stojakovic 28
Mbenga 11
Mensah-Bonsu 10

JAZZ
Jefferson 83
Millsap 67
Okur 59
Williams 53
Elson 43
Kirilenko 40
Price 35
Bell 29
Watson 28
Gaines 28
Hayward 28

KINGS
Landry 76
Thompson 62
Cousins 58
Evans 52
Head 35
Dalembert 33
Casspi 32
Udrih 32
Wright 30
Greene 30
Garcia 28
Whiteside 26
Jackson 10

KNICKS
Stoudemire 81
Ewing 78
Turiaf 55
Randolph 53
Douglas 47
Felton 46
Azubuike 42
Chandler 38
Mason 36
Gallinari 35
Walker 33
Curry 13
Mozgov 12
Rautins 10
Williams 10

LAKERS
Bryant 90
Gasol 85
Bynum 77
Odom 43
Artest 43
Walton 38
Ratliff 38
Brown 33
Barnes 31
Vujacic 29
Blake 27
Fisher 23

MAGIC
Howard 88
Carter 74
Bass 68
Lewis 48
Orton 48
Nelson 47
Allen 40
Richardson 38
Duhon 35
Anderson 32
Redick 30
Williams 26
Pietrus 25
Gortat 23

MAVERICKS
Nowitzki 99
Butler 45
Terry 45
Marion 43
Haywood 40
Kidd 35
Jones 33
Mahinmi 30
Barea 29
Cardinal 28
Chandler 26
Beaubois 20
Stevenson 19
Novak 16
Ajinca 13

NETS
Lopez 82
Favors 59
Smith 55
Harris 48
Outlaw 47
James 43
Farmar 40
Murphy 38
Morrow 33
Williams 32
Humphries 31
Graham 26
Ross 22
Petro 16

NUGGETS
Anthony 99
Nene 78
Harrington 63
Billups 59
Williams 59
Lawson 35
Martin 34
Smith 34
Carter 23
Afflalo 22
Andersen 12
Balkman 10
Ely 10

PACERS
Hibbert 66
Granger 51
Hansbrough 50
Ford 49
Collison 48
Jones 46
Jones 44
Foster 43
Price 38
Posey 35
George 34
Dunleavy 28
Rush 19
McRoberts 12

PISTONS
Prince 79
Villanueva 71
McGrady 63
Hamilton 62
Stuckey 59
Monroe 59
Wilcox 57
Bynum 46
Gordon 44
Maxiell 41
Summer 35
Wallace 34
Jerebko 25
Daye 23

RAPTORS
Bargnani 70
Andersen 47
Jack 42
Evans 40
Davis 33
Calderon 30
Weems 26
Barbosa 24
Wright 22
Johnson 13
DeRozan 10
Dorsey 10
Kleiza 10
Banks 10

ROCKETS
Yao 88
Scola 70
Patterson 57
Brooks 50
Miller 49
Hill 48
Lowry 38
Martin 31
Jeffries 31
Budinger 29
Hayes 29
Lee 23
Battier 19
Taylor 10

SPURS
Duncan 85
Ginobili 49
McDyess 48
Splitter 46
Parker 45
Jefferson 42
Blair 41
Simmons 37
Hill 34
Gee 32
Anderson 29
Bonner 23
Temple 20

SUNS
Turkoglu 62
Nash 52
Richardson 44
Warrick 43
Lopez 40
Childress 38
Hill 37
Dragic 30
Frye 28
Dudley 22
Clark 11

THUNDER
Durant 85
Westbrook 52
White 48
Green 42
Krstic 38
Mullens 38
Maynor 33
Collison 31
Cook 29
Ibaka 27
Sefolosha 23
Aldrich 22
Harden 21
Peterson 17
Ivey 10

T'WOLVES
Love 70
Pekovic 70
Beasley 59
Johnson 53
Milicic 51
Flynn 46
Hayward 42
Ridnour 39
Brewer 38
Webster 31
Ellington 29
Koufos 25
Tolliver 23
Telfair 22

BLAZERS
Aldridge 80
Roy 70
Miller 63
Oden 56
Bayless 47
Fernandez 35
Matthews 31
Mills 28
Babbitt 28
Pendergraph 26
Batum 24
Camby 23
Przybilla 22
Williams 10
Cunningham 10

WARRIORS
Ellis 57
Lee 57
Williams 42
Curry 40
Biedrins 40
Udoh 37
Bell 32
Amundson 32
D. Wright 30
Radmanovic 27
B. Wright 21
Gadzuric 20
Carney 20

WIZARDS
Blatche 78
Howard 76
Thornton 68
Yi 61
McGee 56
Wall 52
Booker 52
Arenas 50
Armstrong 43
Young 37
Martin 33
Seraphin 27
Hinrich 26
Hudson 13
Morrison 10

TOP PLAYERS (80+)
LeBron 99
Melo 99
Dirk 99
Bosh 97
Wade 90
Kobe 90
Garnett 89
Boozer 89
Yao 88
Howard 88
Jamison 86
Durant 85
Duncan 85
Gasol 85
Kaman 84
Randolph 84
West 84
Johnson 83
Jefferson 83
Shaq 82
Lopez 82
Bogut 81
Amare 81
Aldridge 80

POINT DISTRIBUTION
90-99: 6
80-89: 18
70-79: 23 (Two of these are Ewing Jr and Haddadi)
60-69: 22
50-59: 40
40-49: 84
30-39: 89
20-29: 77
10-19: 44

Houston, we have a problem. There are 69 players with Touch 60-99 vs 250 players with Touch 20-49. There is simply too much separation from a few select players and everyone else, which is leading to the shot imbalances.

This is not to say just lowering the higher ups is a blanket solution. The problem seems to be a little more widespread and specific than that... best illustrated by breaking it down by positions.

POINT GUARD (Average Starter: 45)
63 Andre Miller
59 Chauncey Billups
53 Deron Williams
52 Steve Nash
52 Russell Westbrook
52 John Wall
51 Derrick Rose
50 Aaron Brooks
50 Gilbert Arenas
50 Nate Robinson
48 Darren Collison
48 Tony Parker
41 Rajon Rondo
40 Stephen Curry
35 Jason Kidd

SHOOTING GUARD (Average Starter: 46)
90 Kobe Bryant
90 Dwyane Wade
83 Joe Johnson
74 Stephen Jackson
74 Vince Carter
70 Brandon Roy
70 Evan Turner
62 Richard Hamilton
57 Monta Ellis
52 Tyreke Evans
49 Manu Ginobili
39 O.J. Mayo
35 Ray Allen
31 Kevin Martin
27 Allen Iverson
27 Leandro Barbosa

SMALL FORWARD (Average Starter: 48)
99 LeBron James
99 Carmelo Anthony
85 Kevin Durant
79 Tayshaun Prince
75 Josh Howard
71 Corey Maggette
66 Paul Pierce
65 Gerald Wallace
62 Hedo Turkoglu
59 Rudy Gay
56 Andre Iguodala
51 Danny Granger
48 Rashard Lewis
45 Caron Butler

POWER FORWARD (Average Starter: 63)
99 Dirk Nowitzki
97 Chris Bosh
89 Kevin Garnett
89 Carlos Boozer
86 Antawn Jamison
85 Pau Gasol
85 Tim Duncan
84 David West
84 Zach Randolph
81 Amare Stoudemire
80 LaMarcus Aldridge
78 Andray Blatche
76 Carl Landry
75 Josh Smith
70 Kevin Love
70 Luis Scola
68 Brandon Bass
67 Paul Millsap
59 Michael Beasley
57 David Lee

CENTER (Average Starter: 58)
88 Dwight Howard
88 Yao Ming
84 Chris Kaman
83 Al Jefferson
82 Shaquille O'Neal
82 Brook Lopez
81 Andrew Bogut
77 Andrew Bynum
74 Jermaine O'Neal
70 Andrea Bargnani
70 Nikola Pekovic
70 Marc Gasl
66 Al Horford
66 Roy Hibbert
65 Spencer Hawes
51 Darko Milicic
40 Andris Biedrins
34 Ben Wallace

PGs are all extremely low, whereas PF/C are all extremely high. I understand 2K was trying to get more post play (and thus a "sim" game), but gone are the days of the 80s and 90s when post players dominated the league. It's pretty clear now that positions affected their rating scale. Nevermind that we've got discrepancies like Roy Hibbert being Indiana's go-to guy instead of Danny Granger. We've got Spencer Hawes getting more plays than Andre Iguodala; Darko Milicic getting as many plays as Tyreke Evans; Andris Biedrins and Ben Wallace getting more plays than Kevin Martin,

I heard one of my detractors say all that's needed is some edits to key players... that would honestly depend on your definition of "some", because to me, it looks like more than half of the league is off by at least 10 points. Which is why I was "testing" different values in the first place.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

edited version pls thanks :D

LunaticWolf said...

They are all big guys.

Anonymous said...

LMAO @ "Ewing's" 78 LoL hahahaha! wow...

fragsnipa said...

WTF, most on these touches ratings are outta control. 2k fails once again my god man. I think 2k should of not implement this tendency i think its just causing too much of a headache. Damn rashidi good luck man.

Rashidi said...

Updated post with my analysis.

Anonymous said...

honestly im glad you do all the testing reguardless.

Anonymous said...

Rashidi, the analysis you do goes way above and beyond all expectation. Players like us who could never deconstruct the ratings and their effect on gameplay owe you a tremendous amount. I know you have a lot more to test, but are you still planning a PS3 roster for us poor folk? Cannot wait to play this game at the level of accuracy seemingly only you can bring.

Lunatic Wolf said...

If you want to share, what is your plan for fixing this now?

Rashidi said...

First, I actually want to implement my coach sliders (something I should have done in the first place) because that has just as much of an effect.

I kinda have a touch scale in my brain but haven't put it to paper yet. There are a number of things I need to catch up on.

Lunatic Wolf said...

I think if you want a truly realistic game you need to adjust in this order.

Coach Slider
Player Playbooks
Ratings and Tendencies
Game Sliders

Anonymous said...

rashidi, have you figured out how to update an already uploaded file yet?

Rashidi said...

rashidi, have you figured out how to update an already uploaded file yet?

No.

Anonymous said...

are you editing the touch tendency for each player??? hope so

IaintKedia said...

The absolute hugest crime is Carlos Boozers utter dominance over the Bulls. If anyone has played My Player as a member of the Chicago team they know how inordinately frustrating it is to see every single damn play be a Booz post-up or iso.